All Out Sentry w/ Void VS Odin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
when did this happen?

I thought the preview only showed the Hulk getting knocked away, could you repost the scans that show he's ko'd?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I thought the preview only showed the Hulk getting knocked away, could you repost the scans that show he's ko'd?

After Thanos hits Hulk , he flies In to a building causing massive damage , that's all that's shown

Originally posted by the Darkone
[QUOTE=14503334]Originally posted by bbrem123
[B]Just because MM didn't effect the mutliverse in this appearance does not mean he is depowered [/QUOTE

I guess you never read FF Annual 27, where MM stated subconsciously restricted himself. MM has mental issues, MM we saw in FF Annual was the real potential Molecule Man; as where his passive unsure self was above Sky Fathers and a universe buster. Molecule Man in Dark Avengers was drastically depowered to the point he felt he couldn't stop a nuke; his powers only worked locally. Sentry defeated a mental unstable Molecule Man who wanted to be caught and was not at his normal levels and thats a proven fact. If we have multiple people siting the same source and you and your fellow band wagoners H18a, TS, Enzura cant accept that, then that's your problem. [/B]

Originally posted by Tony Stark

I NEVER get the answer for this

When was the last time Owen WAS mentally stable?

Originally posted by Tony Stark

Is Owen like SENTRY capable of depowering himself to less than
full power and then at his will turn around and increase his powers
back to full power?

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As far as my "conjecture" goes ... I haven't ignored that assessment of my prior post.

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I posted this before, and it addresses this Owen/Sentry nonsense.

So, ... on top of being mentally unstable!
(Owen created illusionary facsimiles of Beyonder, Mephisto & others,
so he could talk to himself since they were reflections of his sub-conscious)

... Owen also de-powered himself at the end of the Post-Beyonder fight:

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... Which is probably why in the Sentry encounter he's limited to localized molecular control:

(not even global)

(Owen himself stated this)

(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)

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... so that ... on top of literally wanting to lose during the Sentry comedy ...

Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:

Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo.

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So, Owen didn't, and showed No sign of having trans-multiversal,
multiversal, universal, galactic, solar system, solar, global, country,
state even city wide range of influence over molecules, as opposed
to actual On Panel feats affecting 44 people in a tiny Town, and a
handful of Avengers. While beyond that literally stating clearly
without room for interpretation his limitations. Even using a
comparison: 'the World? ... actually no, ... just those around me.'

That's a far cry from the guy contributing to a Trans-Multiversal feat ey?

Originally posted by the Darkone
Tony Stark your on ignore list, so stop wasting your time.

Ohhhh... I see... I guess when one (YOU) can't answer a simple question because it goes against their (YOUR) argument; you put one (ME) on an ignore list.

Works for me... All that does is continue to show your known utter ineptness.

WINNING!!!

CTFO

Originally posted by Mr Master
At the end of the Beyonder fight, he was able to contain evil MM,
and was completely mentally stable.

As far as I know, all he can do is consciously de-power himself,
by restricting his unlimited potential (evil MM) from taking over his persona.

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As far as my "conjecture" goes ... I haven't ignored that assessment of my prior post.

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I posted this before, and it addresses this Owen/Sentry nonsense.

So, ... on top of being mentally unstable!
(Owen created illusionary facsimiles of Beyonder, Mephisto & others,
so he could talk to himself since they were reflections of his sub-conscious)

... Owen also [b]de-powered himself at the end of the Post-Beyonder fight:

--------------------------

... Which is probably why in the Sentry encounter he's limited to localized molecular control:

(not even global)

(Owen himself stated this)

(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)

--------------------------

... so that ... on top of literally wanting to lose during the Sentry comedy ...

Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:

Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo.

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So, Owen didn't, and showed No sign of having trans-multiversal,
multiversal, universal, galactic, solar system, solar, global, country,
state even city wide range of influence over molecules, as opposed
to actual On Panel feats affecting 44 people in a tiny Town, and a
handful of Avengers. While beyond that literally stating clearly
without room for interpretation his limitations. Even using a
comparison: 'the World? ... actually no, ... just those around me.'

That's a far cry from the guy contributing to a Trans-Multiversal feat ey? [/B]

Owen isn't saying that he depowered himself.... Silly rabbit. He just said that he's trying to control the evil side of his bi-polaredness. He never said that he was now less powerful. He said he was more in control mentally. That's it...

He like SENTRY can choose to use fractions of their power and even more so concentrate it to one subject. No need to destroy the Eastern seaboard if you don't have to. This isn't complicated.... I.E. When The THING hits Spiderman is he hitting him with the same force as he does The HULK? Of course NOT. It's called pulling punches. or using a fraction of their powers to attempt to achieve the same result.

Owen and SENTRY have never fought before so they don't know how much power is needed to achieve said desired effect. Owen attempted to kill SENTRY 3 times; each time upping his power output. Then SENTRY said **** this is this all you've got. And he sent Owen packing for good. Again, this isn't difficult; it's normally what happens when two characters have never fought before. They take one on the chin to measure what type of effort is needed to finish their objective.

Originally posted by Tony Stark

Owen isn't saying that he depowered himself.... Silly rabbit. He just
said that he's trying to control the evil side of his bi-polaredness. He
never said that he was now less powerful. He said he was more in
control mentally. That's it...

Interesting observation. Guess I'll have to be more thorough.

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Here's evil MM, clearly stating that Owen's potential has increased dramatically,
but ... he (evil MM) ... is ... this potential realized:

"with MY Persona ascendant, that of the true MM,
I Now transact on power levels unimaginable even to you."

... yep, yep.

This is exactly why when evil MM was trying to come out he said:

"Lay down the burden of consciousness, surrender the flesh, give ME control!"

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... awaiting the next excuse with popcorn and carrots.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"silly rabbit?" ... 🙂

Interesting observation. Guess I'll have to be more thorough.

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Here's evil MM, clearly stating that Owen's potential has increased dramatically,
but ... he (evil MM) ... is ... this potential realized:

"with MY Persona ascendant, that of the [b]true MM,
I Now transact on power levels unimaginable even to you."

... yep, yep.

This is exactly why when evil MM was trying to come out he said:

"Lay down the burden of consciousness, surrender the flesh, give ME control!"

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... awaiting the next excuse with popcorn and carrots. [/B]

That's all you've got for your comeback... Ummmmm. OK.

How about that being common boastful hyperbole villains almost always use to beat their chests attempting to strike fear.

*POP*POP*POP*

^^ Nah, I just came back with more On Panel proof to further substantiate what
I had already confirmed with prior On Panel presentations.

While you "came back" with ... oh, what was that term you used before?

Oh yea, ... "conjecture." ... Only completely empty without a shred of affirmation from Marvel.

Guess we're done here since on panel showings/statements are being ignored,
which will inevitably lead to a circle of intransigence I'm not about to combat.

stoned

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Nah, I just came back with more On Panel proof to further substantiate what
I had already confirmed with prior On Panel presentations.

While you "came back" with ... oh, what was that term you used before?

Oh yea, ... "conjecture." ... Only completely empty without a shred of affirmation from Marvel.

Guess we're done here since on panel showings/statements are being ignored,
which will inevitably lead to a circle of intransigence I'm not about to combat.

stoned

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

Lol troll Stark got owned

Sentry and MM are very similar. Evil counter parts trying to take over and be in control. I still dont get why this logic works for MM and not the sentry? He is still unstable as well even after he realized his powers. No way in hell did Owen allow Sentry to defeat him either. That is just reaching big time.

I actually think Stark makes some valid points that I have not seen any solid evidence to disprove it.

But dont get me wrong I dont think Sentry is as powerful as some make him out to be. He has some pretty crazy feats yes but not that crazy if you ask me.

Yall are not getting it my friends. Owen Reece has Two personas.
One is an insecure, sympathetic human being who can control molecules.
The other is a confident, remorseless cosmic being who can control Space-Time.

Evil MM appeared again several years after the Beyonder fight, I'll try and find more showings,
but for now we'll enjoy this:

It clearly shows us that Evil MM is bald, & muscular,
while Owen has hair on his head, & is feeble/normal in stature,
this is the artistic image that differentiates them. (same as during the Beyonder encounter)

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So, Evil MM creates shadow creatures to travel to Doc Samson's location for the kidnapping:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894572_Owen_Powa16.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894573_Owen_Powa17.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894574_Owen_Powa18.jpg]

Then, Evil MM begins torturing Doc Samson for the joy of it:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894556_Owen_Powa1.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894557_Owen_Powa2.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894558_Owen_Powa3.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894559_Owen_Powa4.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894561_Owen_Powa5.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894562_Owen_Powa6.jpg]

Then, She-Hulk finds them, and she reminds Evil MM (bald) of Marsha,
which makes Evil MM downgrade to Owen Reece (with hair)

But then as you read, Owen realizes it is not Marsha, and becomes Evil MM (bald) again:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894565_Owen_Powa9.jpg]

Evil MM (bald & bulging) is about obliterate She-Hulk and Samson,
but then the Persona of Owen Reece takes over as he's reminded of Marsha again:

Yep, yep, since he cant be defeated, the writer ops to have Owen take over,
and end it there as he decides to seek out Marsha's love.

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That's who Sentry defeated, Owen Reece with hair,
the one that was actually remorseful about killing Sentry:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16894617_Owen_own_Sentry5.jpg]

... Owen is freakin crying! ... lol

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While we got Evil MM ripping the essence out of Cube beings across universes,
battling across who knows how many Planes of Existence, wrecking the laws of nature,
cosmic speed-blitzing while simultaneously reality warping his victim,
coupled with jarring energy attacks.

Then to ice the cosmic cake, we see a rarity, an actual BEYOND-Multiversal warping feat,
where even our own "Superman" is created. lol.

Evil MM also defeats Beyonder in his pure essence, how he is most powerful,
and when we take into account what Beyonder's done since,
well, that continues to catapult Evil MM up the ladder.

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There is no doubt, that Owen Reece and Evil MM are on two different levels.
They Look different, they Act different,
and they have two completely different scales of feats historically speaking.

There is also no doubt that Owen Reece is no push-over,
just cause his Evil side is far more powerful than he,
we still know regular Owen to be powerful. But Evil MM is just on another level.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lol troll Stark got owned

🙄

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yall are not getting it my friends. Owen Reece has Two personas.
One is an insecure, sympathetic human being who can control molecules.
The other is a confident, remorseless cosmic being who can control Space-Time.

Evil MM appeared again several years after the Beyonder fight, I'll try and find more showings,
but for now we'll enjoy this:

It clearly shows us that Evil MM is bald, tall & muscular,
while Owen has hair on his head, & is feeble/normal in stature,
this is the artistic image that differentiates them. (same as during the Beyonder encounter)

------------------------------------------------------------

So, Evil MM creates shadow creatures to travel to Doc Samson's location for the kidnapping:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894572_Owen_Powa16.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894573_Owen_Powa17.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894574_Owen_Powa18.jpg]

Then, Evil MM begins torturing Doc Samson for the joy of it:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894556_Owen_Powa1.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894557_Owen_Powa2.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894558_Owen_Powa3.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894559_Owen_Powa4.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894561_Owen_Powa5.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894562_Owen_Powa6.jpg]

Then, She-Hulk finds them, and she reminds Evil MM (bald) of Marsha,
which makes Evil MM downgrade to Owen Reece (with hair)

But then as you read, Owen realizes it is not Marsha, and becomes Evil MM (bald) again:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894565_Owen_Powa9.jpg]

Evil MM (bald & bulging) is about obliterate She-Hulk and Samson,
but then the Persona of Owen Reece takes over as he's reminded of Marsha again:

Yep, yep, since he cant be defeated, the writer ops to have Owen take over,
and end it there as he decides to seek out Marsha's love.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

That's who Sentry defeated, Owen Reece with hair,
the one that was actually remorseful about killing Sentry:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16894617_Owen_own_Sentry5.jpg]

... Owen is freakin crying! ... lol

---------------------------------------------------------------------

While we got Evil MM ripping the essence out of Cube beings across universes,
battling across who knows how many Planes of Existence, wrecking the laws of nature,
cosmic speed-blitzing while simultaneously reality warping his victim,
coupled with jarring energy attacks.

Then to ice the cosmic cake, we see a rarity, an actual BEYOND-Multiversal warping feat,
where even our own "Superman" is created. lol.

Evil MM also defeats Beyonder in his pure essence, how he is most powerful,
and when we take into account what Beyonder's done since,
well, that continues to catapult Evil MM up the ladder.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no doubt, that Owen Reece and Evil MM are on two different levels.
They Look different, they Act different,
and they have two completely different scales of feats historically speaking.

There is also no doubt that Owen Reece is no push-over,
just cause his Evil side is far more powerful than he,
we still know regular Owen to be powerful. But Evil MM is just on another level.

Ya'll aren't getting it...

"EVIL" Owen and "Regular" Owen don't have different powersets; just as "DARK" Bob and "Regular" Bob don't have different powersets. The "EVIL" or "DARK" versions just choose to run with the restrictor plates off. While the "Regular" Owen and Bob can still take it to the next level. They just choose to not start at 11 although, they can still turn the dial if need be.

Owen was also a prisoner in the raft but escaped, as seen in New Avengers:

http://i.imgur.com/aT7f39N.jpg?1

The New avengers file/handbook directly attributed his imprisonment to his self-imposed limitations/ mental instability.......

http://i.imgur.com/lm2sKWc.jpg?1

And that was directly before DA as far as Owen goes....

Owen was definitely depowered in DA, imo.

^^ 👆 ... that, and mine = thread. (concerning the Owen discussion)

... course, will make little difference to intransigence.

So, opr just put the final touch ... so, nothing left to say.

peace and love yall. stoned

Originally posted by operator616
Owen was also a prisoner in the raft but escaped, as seen in New Avengers:

http://i.imgur.com/aT7f39N.jpg?1

The New avengers file/handbook directly attributed his imprisonment to his self-imposed limitations/ mental instability.......

http://i.imgur.com/lm2sKWc.jpg?1

And that was directly before DA as far as Owen goes....

Owen was definitely depowered in DA, imo.

Anyway, DA MM with utmost ease tore Sentry to atoms. This is beyond Skyfather level. So even if MM was depowered, he still operated significantly above skyfather level.

Originally posted by h1a8
if Sentry reforms instantly then it's not a win. Also I don't know of any feats that suggests that Odin has the ability to disintegrate a high Herald.

Thor for starters.