Barsen'thor Respect Thread

1. Tharen wasn't even damaged by the explosion and, as far as I understand, he's not a Force user.

2. As for the door, that more telekinetic power is neccesary to blast through it than levitating multiple obelisks is questionable, not to mention she's clearly channeling her power the instant before.

3. The metal throw is impressive, but two things:

a) I thin school bus-size is a little overstatement.

b) Either you're math if off or google is giving me wrong answers, but the average school bus-weight is 11-14 tons, not hundreds. lolwut

1. Tharen doesn't need to be standing right next to her. He isn't chained to her hip. Plus if he is standing right behind her, presumably her shield would protect him from the explosion as well.

2. She doesn't channel her power any longer than Dooku does when he lifts those obelisks. And I don't agree that its questionable. Lifting stone is a lot easier than bending steel.

3.

a) Compare the size of the object at 4.30 to this:

Pay attention to the size of the two objects compared to the size of the person or people next to it. They seem to be similar in height, both about half again as tall at those next to them and the bus is perhaps a little longer.

b) School buses are made to be light weight and are hollow. Its just a metal frame on top of wheels and an engine with seats inside. That chunk of metal the Consular throws is just that: A solid chunk of metal. Its incredibly dense and compact. This is why cars can be crushed into small cubes. They are not dense, and despite their size, their actual weight is not that much.

Heres a hundred ton boulder:

Steel is about 3 times denser and heavier than stone. So judging just from the chunk the Consular throws in relation to that you can probably get a good idea of just how much the chunk would have weighed.

400 ton boulder:

Heres a hundred tons of steel:

People tend to underestimate weight, but things are really heavy when you get into stone and steel, which are very dense, if they're as much as the size of a car or so.

If you want though, I can give this to some people for some quick math and they'll give a rough estimate of the chunk of metals weight.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Tharen doesn't need to be standing right next to her. He isn't chained to her hip. Plus if he is standing right behind her, presumably her shield would protect him from the explosion as well.

No its not. You need to get through the door and the quest text reads:

'Lord Vivicar’s plague is a threat to the entire Jedi Order, and your shielding ability makes you the only one who can face him. He knows you are coming and has prepared his ship for your arrival.

You have finally reached Lord Vivicar’s starship, but the hangar is locked down. Ignite the explosive barrels to blow open the hangar doors.'

Hint: You ignite them with your lightsaber.

But using the explosion of the blast door as a measure of Barsen'thor defending herself with the Force (no proof) isn't concludeable when nearby non-Force sensitives resist it when close to it.

Yes it is. Your companion standing so close to you is just a gameplay mechanic. I'm sure outside of gameplay he's independent enough to stand 10 feet back and choose his own movements. He just follows you around so close cuz he's your companion and needs to be close so you know where he is.

Tharen or Qyzen (the other companion you have at this point) don't even canonically accompany you on that mission. They could both be back on the ship making me some new shoes. Hell, you could bring C3PO in a neck-brace on that mission if you want! Or you could just bring no companion.

Also I asked my maths chums over in the Foreign Cinema forum (really the All-versus forum) and the guestimation is currently at about 250 tons for the metal chunk.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
So where do people think the Barsen'thor should go in terms of power?

I still think about Darth Vader level.

Also, Darth Vader have nothing on Bersen'thor. The only aspect in which the former may hold a candle to the latter is in the use of TK. However, Bersen'thor is much more effective Force-user over-all. She may just break Darth Vader with her telepathic abilities alone.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku level.

Vivicar and First Son are likely above Dooku and Bersen'thor defeated both.

Prove they are above Dooku.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove they are above Dooku.

Dooku no longer seems to be a big deal in the light of TOR era related updates.

Both Vivicar and First Son were among the standouts in an era which evidently witnessed greatest concentration of powerful Force-users in a single era throughout galactic history. These individuals have been canonically acknowledged as wielding terrifying power and absolute masters of the Force. Bersen'thor managed to undermine them with her exceptional mastery of the Force which trumps that of Dooku's by a long shot. Vivicar was so powerful that he corrupted many individuals (including many Jedi Masters) on galactic scale with his dark side abilities and could even draw on their combined might to augment his own. He would have become virtually invincible, if not stopped on time. First Son was another remarkably powerful individual who controlled hundreds of Force-users on galactic scale with his own power. It is believed that he was more then a match for a Dark Council member (individuals who have often been noted to be superior to Dooku).

Force Mastery is not just about impressive telekinetic abilities that you see Dooku performing; it goes much beyond telekinetic applications. In-fact, almost every notable individual in SWTOR era matches or exceeds Dooku's telekinetic prowess. To give you an idea, Bersen'thor managed to overcome Vivicar's influence with a special shielding technique that only she learned and mastered among all the Jedi in the galaxy, otherwise, Vivicar would have broken and corrupted her as well. Put Dooku in her shoes and he would have fallen to Vivicar without aid of this special shielding technique.

So try to comprehend the larger picture here. You do not just evaluate power of a character by flashy depictions of telekinesis. Their are many ways to determine power of a character; the most powerful ones can influence/manipulate their surroundings in ways that majority cannot.

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