Thor vs Palpatine

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lmao.

And a speed advantage? Lol, compared to Thor, Palpatine moved like an old man.

The speed at which lightsaber battles went as well as the deflecting of blaster bolts and especially Palpatine's speedblitz where he killed 3 top Jedi Masters in seconds is faster than pretty much all of Thor's combat feats. He and Loki were slow as hell when they were fighting each other. He was slow fighting the Destroyer, and slow fighting the Chitauri. He's more about power than speed which is clearly obvious in his portrayal.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hmm, its changed course in mid flight which I guess is the same principle and definitely proved it didn't just move in straight directions when Thor died in the first movie.

Have we ever seen it change course mid-flight under Thor's command? That's what matters in this debate. To my knowledge, he's only ever thrown it straight, and then made it come back from the direction he threw it.

Thor beats him into Pulpatine that then gets poured into his glass of ovaltine which he drinks ever so manly.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

It can go in one of two ways.

How silly. As if Palpatines fighting style is anything like Hulk or Korgs. We could just as easily post the scene where Palpatine takes out 3 Jedi Masters and say the same thing (which would be equally as silly). 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hmm, its changed course in mid flight which I guess is the same principle and definitely proved it didn't just move in straight directions when Thor died in the first movie.

Changes course to return to him, or changes course to hit other characters here and there? One is a given, the other I dont even think comics Mjolnir can do.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thrown chairs, tables and miscellaneous objects, Thor's one weakness.

Good thing that Palpatine also has superhuman speed and reflexes, massive pre cognition, and a sword that cuts thru most anything, at which he is a master at using (not to mention one of the most cunning and devious minds in the universe).

As if throwing things at Thor is his only means of attack.

Thor kills Palpatine with lightning.

You guys need to accept this.

Yes, its not because Palpatine couldnt saber block lightning, just like Jedi Knight level Kenobi did in AotC (also, in characters, throwing down lightning is not Thors normal way of attacking, especially when its not a group of characters, but a single foe only).

Originally posted by KingD19
The speed at which lightsaber battles went as well as the deflecting of blaster bolts and especially Palpatine's speedblitz where he killed 3 top Jedi Masters in seconds is faster than pretty much all of Thor's combat feats. He and Loki were slow as hell when they were fighting each other. He was slow fighting the Destroyer, and slow fighting the Chitauri. He's more about power than speed which is clearly obvious in his portrayal.

Have we ever seen it change course mid-flight under Thor's command? That's what matters in this debate. To my knowledge, he's only ever thrown it straight, and then made it come back from the direction he threw it.

You say Jedi Master as if it automatically means they have super speed and constantly utilize it. I saw how Palpatine killed them, nothing Thor couldn't handle.

Thor did not fight any slower against the Destroyer, Loki, Chitauri etc. then Palpatine. And if you think deflecting energy attacks makes him faster, you aren't making a good argument by referencing fights where Thor does exactly that. We saw him block the Destroyers energy beam, Loki's scepter in the Avengers, Chitauri lasers etc.

Like I said, we've seen him change course while flying. You can choose to accept that as evidence or not, but Thor controls Mjolnir mentally.

As a matter of fact, in TDW trailer, we saw Mjolnir zig zagging across cars/streets to return to Thor's hand.

Originally posted by DTM
Yes, its not because Palpatine couldnt saber block lightning, just like Jedi Knight level Kenobi did in AotC (also, in characters, throwing down lightning is not Thors normal way of attacking, especially when its not a group of characters, but a single foe only).

When has Palpatine ever blocked lighting on Thor's level? And we've seen him use it often enough that it's a viable strategy. Even the one that he used against Iron Man was powerful enough to increase the suits reactor by 475% which means its packing a hell of a lot more energy then Palpatine ever demonstrated to my knowledge.

Originally posted by DTM
Changes course to return to him, or changes course to hit other characters here and there? One is a given, the other I dont even think comics Mjolnir can do.

While he was in flight.

Comic Mjolnir can accomplish this most assuredly:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsLoki4.jpg

Hmmmm, sure its there, but thats a very Old School example, Thor has changed heaps since then, so Im not sure Id go supporting Mjolnir flying around and attacking all on its own, and I certainly wouldnt for movie Mjolnir, personally.

Hmm, the question should really be whether Palpatine can take on Loki, as Palpatine's powers are much more sorcerer-like than warrior-like.

Thor's used to fighting magic (or people with magic-like powers) - he's had Loki and plenty of other sorcerers in Asgard to give him training, he's thousands of years old and in that time he spent most of it fighting - dark elves, frost giants, ogres, evil wizards, etc. He knows about magic swords (which a light-sabre is), and he IS the god of thunder and lightning, whatever form it may take.

When Thor confronted Loki his hammer nullified most of Loki' magic attacks, and when Loki slipped the enchanted dagger into his side he immediately fled, knowing that he didn't really stand a chance against an enraged Thor.

Palpatine should be no more significantly challenging than any other magic-user. I just don't think he has anything Thor can't counter.

Put simply - Thor has had to deal with more than one Palpatine in his life as a (if not THE) warrior-god. But I seriously doubt if Palpatine has ever encountered anybody even remotely like Thor.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Thor's used to fighting magic (or people with magic-like powers) - he's had Loki and plenty of other sorcerers in Asgard to give him training, he's thousands of years old and in that time he spent most of it fighting - dark elves, frost giants, ogres, evil wizards, etc. He knows about magic swords (which a light-sabre is), and he IS the god of thunder and lightning, whatever form it may take.

When Thor confronted Loki his hammer nullified most of Loki' magic attacks, and when Loki slipped the enchanted dagger into his side he immediately fled, knowing that he didn't really stand a chance against an enraged Thor.

We can only go by what we've seen. So we know Thor has fought and trained with Loki who has the most of what resembles "magic" in Asgard. Aside from that, he's fought Destroyer and I'm assuming Malekith has some magic-esque abilities in Dark World, but that's not out in the US yet. That's not enough evidence to say Thor has plenty of experience since Loki's "magic" is pretty much illusions from what we've seen.

And a lightsaber is not a magic sword. It's a blade of pure energy that cuts through pretty much anything once it makes contact. And considering Palpatine's fighting speed(all force users really) and how powerful the saber is. If and when he slips it past Thor's defense, Thor gets sliced and diced.

And that's not why Loki left. In Thor he was willing to fight Thor to the death despite knowing he'd more than likely lose.

Originally posted by KingD19
We can only go by what we've seen. So we know Thor has fought and trained with Loki who has the most of what resembles "magic" in Asgard. Aside from that, he's fought Destroyer and I'm assuming Malekith has some magic-esque abilities in Dark World, but that's not out in the US yet. That's not enough evidence to say Thor has plenty of experience since Loki's "magic" is pretty much illusions from what we've seen.

Going by what we see, Eric shows Jane a book of Norse mythology to try to explain who Thor really is. Therefore, to read about Thor's years of experience encountering tricky gods and magic-users, as suggested in the movie, go and get a book on Norse mythology.

And a lightsaber is not a magic sword. It's a blade of pure energy that cuts through pretty much anything once it makes contact. And considering Palpatine's fighting speed(all force users really) and how powerful the saber is. If and when he slips it past Thor's defense, Thor gets sliced and diced.

Going by what we see, hmm, a glowing sword that can cut through nearly (emphasis on nearly) anything. That, my friend, is a magic sword.

And that's not why Loki left. In Thor he was willing to fight Thor to the death despite knowing he'd more than likely lose.

No he wasn't - he was trapped like the desperate rat he is because his schemes didn't work and he fought desperately for his life like any cornered vermin - to no avail.

Look, all you're arguing is: I said he has experience fighting magic, and you say he doesn't. I say a light-sabre is similar to a magic sword, you say it isn't.

Rather tell me, in your opinion, how you think Palpatine will win.

Originally posted by KingD19
If and when he slips it past Thor's defense, Thor gets sliced and diced.

If and when he slips past Thor's defense, that would be assuming he was succesfuly able to defend against Thor's attacks as well, which I don't see him doing. If he tries to block a hammer strike with his light saber the blow would probably rip the lightsaber from his hands if not fracture his arm in the process.

Originally posted by DTM
Yes, its not because Palpatine couldnt saber block lightning, just like Jedi Knight level Kenobi did in AotC (also, in characters, throwing down lightning is not Thors normal way of attacking, especially when its not a group of characters, but a single foe only).

Thor used lightning against IM. Last time I checked, he is one person.

He has used lightning every time he fought, except for his fight with Hulk.

Thor 10/10 accept it.

I doubt Palpatine would try and match him blow for blow. Basic knowledge rule and all that. He knows the futility and potential fatal error of trying to outmuscle Thor. But he's easily fast enough to dodge a swing and slide his saber through Thor's wrist.

If Thor has basic knowledge of what a lightsaber can do, why would he even give Palpatine a chance to get close to him?

Originally posted by KingD19
I doubt Palpatine would try and match him blow for blow. Basic knowledge rule and all that. He knows the futility and potential fatal error of trying to outmuscle Thor. But he's easily fast enough to dodge a swing and slide his saber through Thor's wrist.

We need to establish whether the combatants know something about each other or not. If they know about each other, then Palpatine won't try to match Thor blow for blow but Thor will just keep hitting him from a distance anyway.

If they don't know anything about each other, Palpatine may try to duel Thor, in which case the first time he blocks mjolnir he'll get the lightsaber ripped from his hands... or he opens with his lightning which Thor will just tank through and probably retaliate with his own lightning or a hammer throw. This scenario seems more likely as these attacks are coincide with their standard attack procedures.