Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough.Which 'energy feats' are you thinking of that dictate Thor could tank an energy blade of concentrated hyper-intensive heat?
IM's repulsor rays? While I do think lightsabers have a higher concentration of energy, IM's repulsor rays can still cut through steel... and a point blank shot at Thor's face didn't even give him a rash.
If they're 50 feet apart, Thor's first instinct would probably be to toss his hammer at Palpatine, and Palpatine's would probably be to try and fry Thor with lightning. The former seems to have a better chance at succeeding. And not to mention Thor can fly, create a tornado, and summon lightning himself.
As for a lightsaber cutting through Thor, I'm leaning towards a yes. Thor has good durability feats against energy-based attacks (Loki's scepter, IM's repulsor blasts), but a lightsaber doesn't fall in the same category. It's more of a cutting weapon.
But in the scenario listed, I doubt Palpatine will get the chance to get up close before Thor kills him.
Jedi don't react on "instinct" that way. They have this thing called "pre-cognition" that allows them to react to an opponent's attacks almost before they make it.
So if Thor's first instinct is to throw his hammer, Palpatine's first instinct would be to either push it back with the force or just move out of the way.
Anyway. Glancing through the pages, seems like typical star wars ignorance ITT.
Originally posted by Robtard
Why you non sequituring it up? What I said has nothing to do with superman durability. But I'll entertain your non sequitur anyways, cos I am kind.
It wasn't non sequitur if you followed the thread conversation:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, that's not the general consensus of the MvF: being a force user makes you loads more durable and stronger.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not my argument so I won't make it. I believe Robtard made a pretty decent argument for it. If he actually shows his ass up, maybe he can fill us in.Edit - Sadako and Jaden, too.
Basically, you and others have argued for increased durability of force users, in the past. So I was asking you to explain that reasoning because you and at least 2 others have made those arguments in the past.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._So basically, you have nothing to add and Thor rapes Palp into pulp.
Jedi don't react on "instinct" that way. They have this thing called "pre-cognition" that allows them to react to an opponent's attacks almost before they make it.So if Thor's first instinct is to throw his hammer, Palpatine's first instinct would be to either push it back with the force or just move out of the way.
Anyway. Glancing through the pages, seems like typical star wars ignorance ITT.
Thor wouldn't be immune to Sith lightning. Just because he can channell lightning like a boss doesn't mean it can't hurt him. Lightsabers and force speed and tele kinesis make it a very hard fight for Thor. I can actually see Palps ending it quickly if he uses his saber - go figure. I'm actually giving Palps a win.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Palpatine has telekinesis as well. And just because he didn't force-choke onscreen doesn't mean he wasn't capable.
The question would be whether he's strong enough to force choke a guy tough enough to survive a full punch from the Hulk with nothing but a slightly bloody nose.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The question would be whether he's strong enough to force choke a guy tough enough to survive a full punch from the Hulk with nothing but a slightly bloody nose.
Taking a punch in the face and being choked out are two entirely different things.
Ali could take Anderson Silva's punches without falling, but if Silva managed (lol) to get in behind Ali and get in a solid choke, Ali would pass out quick, like most people.
Now if Thor somehow doesn't rely on breathing and blood-flow to his brain in order to function, sure, choking won't matter to him. But that's unlikely.
Originally posted by Robtard
Taking a punch in the face and being choked out are two entirely different things.Ali could take Anderson Silva's punches without falling, but if Silva managed (lol) to get in behind Ali and get in a solid choke, Ali would pass out quick, like most people.
Now if Thor somehow doesn't rely on breathing and blood-flow to his brain in order to function, sure, chocking won't matter to him. But that's unlikely.
No. If Silva was allowed to give Ali a clean punch to the chin, Ali is getting knocked out just like normal people. A punch knocks you out by stopping blood and oxygen from going to the brain (by clipping the veins at your nape), so it results in the same thing as a choke
So actually, if Silva managed to land a clean shot (lol) on Ali, it would achieve the same result as if Silva managed to get behind Ali (lol) and choke him.
In short, if Thor's neck and veins can survive a punch from Hulk without getting knocked out, then I'm pretty sure his throat is a lot tougher.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No. If Silva was allowed to give Ali a clean punch to the chin, Ali is getting knocked out just like normal people. A punch knocks you out by stopping blood and oxygen from going to the brain, same way a choke works just via different mechanics.So actually, if Silva managed to land a clean shot (lol) on Ali, it would achieve the same result as if Silva managed to get behind Ali (lol) and choke him.
Even if Ali stood still, a clean punch may or may not knock him out. A proper choke hold will KO him 100% of the time.
It's a matter of the brain being accelerated and the G-forces cause a momentary interruption in blood flow, another (and/or really) is connecting with the right parts in the face (chin mostly) and causing a momentary nervous system shock.
The mechanics matter and are not interchangeable. Being able to take a punch in the face doesn't mean you're immune to being choked out.
[To your edit] If you want to argue that Thor's so durable Palpatine won't be able to compress his neck tissue and cause a blood-flow interruption, that's a different argument.
Originally posted by Robtard
Even if Ali stood still, a clean punch may or may not knock him out. A proper choke hold will KO him 100% of the time.It's a matter of the brain being accelerated and the G-forces cause a momentary interruption in blood flow, another (and/or really) is connecting with the right parts in the face (chin mostly) and causing a momentary nervous system shock.
The mechanics matter and are not interchangeable. Being able to take a punch in the face doesn't mean you're immune to being choked out.
[To your edit] If you want to argue that Thor's so durable Palpatine won't be able to compress his neck tissue and cause a blood-flow interruption, that's a different argument.
I don't think I've ever heard of any man who's capable of taking a punch from a trained non-lightweight puncher clean to the chin without getting knocked out. The physical parts of you responsible for determining whether you get knocked out or not is just not strong enough to contend with a well thrown punch from a trained striker.
But yeah, let's not get bogged down on that discussion. I admit that I don't have scientific evidence to support that claim and it's just based on everything I've learned from boxing training.
Anyway, my original point was that someone who's capable of taking a punch from Hulk to the face (and falling from hundreds of feet high for that matter) without getting his neck snapped or getting a ligament torn or what not... definitely has a wind pipe, neck tissue and blood vessels and what not, far stronger than any normal man.
And that's the question. Whether Palpatine can generate a force choke strong enough to actually overcome Thor's superhuman durability.
Originally posted by KingD19
Considering what Force Users are capable of moving with Force TK(items weighing in at the hundreds if not thousands of tons), the psi they must be able to use with Choke should be massive.
What's the heaviest that we've seen a force user move via TK in the movies? I remember Yoda lifting that ship. Do we know what the psi generated by bullets are? Thor and Loki seemed pretty bulletproof, so we know they can survive some pretty strong pressures as well.
I'm not saying that Palpatine can or cannot choke him. Just saying that it's not a sure shot because of Thor's immense durability.
I found an estimate of the X-Wing weighing roughly 5 tons, and considering it was submerged in swamp water and muck for a time, we could probably tack on more weight to allow for said swamp matter.
There's also Dooku v Yoda when they both moved that massive power coupling thing that had to weigh a few tons at least.
And Palpatine v Yoda hurling around Senate Pods which again seemed to weigh at least a ton or two.
As for the PSI of a bullet upon impact, I found some math guy who used a random example and came up with 3032 psi.