Naruto, without much doubt.
Even aside from the true uber powers, I want to mention how dangerous someone like Bee is. Not only does he have destructive power at least on par with a Yonkou, but he's aquatic, an absolute nightmare to a navy or most devilfruit users.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Sage of Six Paths could likely solo. Though One Piece has a lot more to go while Naruto seems to be pretty much finished.
Though we've seen top-tier people fight in OP.
well, people like dragon, kaido, big mom, and pretty much even shanks are featless, blackbeard isnt close to peak, admiral green bull is unknown, fujitora's power arent known well, mihawk and doflamingo arent very well known, supernovas also arent close to peak, this is kind of a rape thread seeing as though juubito should solo without the known feats i listed above... 5 years and do this again
Originally posted by Esomark
The hard hitters like the Juubi (as well as Obito himself since he's its jinchuuriki), Naruto, Bee, Hashirama, and Madara guarantee Narutoverse's victory over OPverse. We haven't seen what Big Mom and Kaido can do, though. Apparently Kaido is as, if not tougher than Whitebeard.
Obito or B are nothing compared to most OP high/top tiers.
Originally posted by Luffygear4
well, people like dragon, kaido, big mom, and pretty much even shanks are featless, blackbeard isnt close to peak, admiral green bull is unknown, fujitora's power arent known well, mihawk and doflamingo arent very well known, supernovas also arent close to peak, this is kind of a rape thread seeing as though juubito should solo without the known feats i listed above... 5 years and do this again
We have a lot of unknowns- but consider Whitebeard. He is the strongest known, and there's a good number of Naruto characters as strong or stronger than him.
In some cases, like Naruto, *much* stronger. Naruto's destruction feats are much higher than Whitebeard's, and he's got more flexible powers.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Obito or B are nothing compared to most OP high/top tiers.
Obito.... could take down Whitebeard, all the admirals and all the Shichibukai at the same time, from what we've seen.
Originally posted by Q99
Obito.... could take down Whitebeard, all the admirals and all the Shichibukai at the same time, from what we've seen.
I can't see him taking down any of them even solo. Like what's he going to do to Kizaru? It would be like Minato, but a 100 times worse. Even Madara couldn't take all those guys by himself imo.
Originally posted by carver9
Thought there were characters in One Piece that can move at light speed.?
He can...kinda. He just can get interrupted while doing his little porting around. That and he just does things that if he were casually light speed he wouldn't need to do. Like travel on cannonballs.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
I can't see him taking down any of them even solo. Like what's he going to do to Kizaru? It would be like Minato, but a 100 times worse. Even Madara couldn't take all those guys by himself imo.
Madara couldn't...Obito very well could in his Jinchuriki form. Granted that is still quite a number against him so they could overwhelm him in theory(he still fought off an army for a good deal of time) but none of them come close to matching his power. It shouldn't be underestimated lol.
Originally posted by Q99
We have a lot of unknowns- but consider Whitebeard. He is the strongest known, and there's a good number of Naruto characters as strong or stronger than him.In some cases, like Naruto, *much* stronger. Naruto's destruction feats are much higher than Whitebeard's, and he's got more flexible powers.
Obito.... could take down Whitebeard, all the admirals and all the Shichibukai at the same time, from what we've seen.
whitebeard was the strongest before he was 70 and sick, in his prime, people like him, roger, garp, kong, sengoku etc. were complete and total monsters. they could probably fight against people like madara, hashirama, and top tier naruto characters. now when they are sickly, old, and out of their prime, the title of whitebeard being the strongest man a live (before death) stuck because after rogers death, he was second or equal in strength, but not 20 years later. a title is a title, and it can get old. he wasnt the strongest as he was in marine ford.
secondly, it was stated that whitebeard has the power to destroy the world by sengoku, naruto cant. and garp stated that he practiced destroying mountains preparing for his fight against don chinjao, and with the one piece world being bigger than ours, seeing as though it has a high enough gravitational pull to have 6 moons, then we can assume the mountains would be a little bit bigger, and that garp got stronger, and the he was never strong enough to catch roger and that roger was whitebeards equal. so prime whitebeard, the one with the title of worlds strongest man, would beat naruto.
another thing is that mihawk is at least an admirals equivalent, so obito cant take down five admirals (akainu, kizaru, green bull, fujitora, and mihawk) along with doflamingo and whitebeard who beat akainu. no, obito would lose.
OPverse should still lose, but your giving whitebeards power at age 70 the greatest power in OP and thats not true. him at prime was the greatest power after rogers death and thats how he got the title. wait for more feats, or until one piece is at the point in its story that naruto is and then do this.
whitebeard was the strongest before he was 70 and sick, in his prime, people like him, roger, garp, kong, sengoku etc. were complete and total monsters. they could probably fight against people like madara, hashirama, and top tier naruto characters.
The thing is, old Roger is still a peer in power to Shanks and the like. He's old, but his power has not degraded all that much.
And Sengoku wasn't nearly as old, still physically great shape, yet not as decisive in Marineford as Hashirama or Madara's abilities would be- the Valley of the End those two made utterly dwarfs the chasm that Whitebeard made, after all.
another thing is that mihawk is at least an admirals equivalent, so obito cant take down five admirals (akainu, kizaru, green bull, fujitora, and mihawk) along with doflamingo and whitebeard who beat akainu. no, obito would lose.
Six Paths Obito? His disintigration attacks would obliterate the logia without them being able to regen, juubi biju ball's destructive power not only surpass Akainu's, Kizaru's, Mihawk's, Whitebeard's, etc. combined, but does so many times over, his defense is massive, and yadda yadda.
Naruto deflected six biju balls at once, and each of those 6 could've destroyed Marineford's entire battle area. And Obito is much stronger than that.
And one other factor? High-tier speed Naruto characters are faster than OP speed according to obd.
OPverse should still lose, but your giving whitebeards power at age 70 the greatest power in OP and thats not true. him at prime was the greatest power after rogers death and thats how he got the title. wait for more feats, or until one piece is at the point in its story that naruto is and then do this.
The thing is, even the top shown OP feats are less impressive than Madara's, which are less impressive than Naruto's, which are considerably less powerful than Obito's.
We know we haven't see the *very* best of OP, but we aren't all that far from it. You're asking for us to assume not just a little more power, but far more.
Originally posted by cdtm
Hm...Could that "light speed" quote be a mistranslation, though? It's happened with DBZ, and they're "professional" translators..
Dont know why people wouldn't think DB characters aren't light speedsters...they can do everything else. The debating style when it comes to Anime characters is insane.
Everyone here that knows anything about Anime knows they focus more on fights than anything else but people want to bring up lifting fts and if a character blew up this or that. WTF man. I shouldn't have to prove if Goku is city level strength wise as a Super Saiyan...before this he was casually busting mountains with the shockwaves of his punches waaayyyy before he went Super Saiyan.
Why would I have to prove if Nappa can destroy a planet? When has he had the time? What I do know is people thousands of times weaker than him, insects, can destoy moons....DBZ IS about common sense. What's also common sense is Nappa can tank moon busting power. Hell, Raditz can tank that kind of power (and that has been proven as enough power to stop high Heralds) but people ignore stuff like this and rely on fts that they know Akira will not let happen since DBZ main focus is to overpower the person they are combating while limiting the amount of destruction they cause while fighting.
There is *one* One Piece character who can travel at light speed, Kizaru, purely in the form of turning into light, and it's only traveling point to point. His fighting movement are effectively the same as other high-tier OP characters, he just has the option of effectively teleporting. His reaction/thought speed isn't boosted by it.
It's a very powerful move to have, but do not confuse it with 'moves fast in every way' speed. It's a way for that character to get around the battlefield fast. There's a similar character who can do the same with lightning.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
I can't see him taking down any of them even solo. Like what's he going to do to Kizaru? It would be like Minato, but a 100 times worse. Even Madara couldn't take all those guys by himself imo.
Actually, Kizaru doesn't do his light thing nearly as often as Minato 'ports in battle. He's not 'worse to deal with in Minato' in that respect, he's easier. He does have greater firepower and logia defense, but Logia defense is useless against Obito's erasal jutsu, firepower goes to Obito, and Obito can easily defend against his photon kicks.
Current Obito is literally so powerful that even Kizaru would only last a short time against him, and stands no real chance of inflicting significant damage.
Carver
Dont know why people wouldn't think DB characters aren't light speedsters...they can do everything else.
Because they take time to get from place to place, and instant transmission is portrayed as way faster even for on-planet travel. They clearly aren't lightspeeders, and their speeds expressed in mach number probably isn't all that high either until fairly far down the road.
Originally posted by BloodRain
[img]http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o700/lol9902/juubidama_zps8f3b1831.png[img]..Really?
Madara couldn't...Obito very well could in his Jinchuriki form. Granted that is still quite a number against him so they could overwhelm him in theory(he still fought off an army for a good deal of time) but none of them come close to matching his power. It shouldn't be underestimated lol.
I was talking about Obito on his own. Without Juubi and Six Paths,
Originally posted by TheTyrant
I was talking about Obito on his own. Without Juubi and Six Paths,
Well, everyone else was talking current Obito, since he'd be the biggest obstacle in OP vs Naruto.
Yes, basic Obito is not so overwhelming, though he could potentially take out some pretty powerful people with surprise.
Of course, remove him, and Naruto can still win very solidly with it's other powerful people. Even it's other powerful living people.