Naruto verse vs One Piece verse

Originally posted by Q99
The alliance noted that Itachi could mind control people without even being seen. Heck, with Hinata's help Ino hit Obito from, what, a kilometer or two out?

Yet those characters are weaksauce and low tier, and that kind of feat can be replicated by any psychic from another universe. Hardly an unfair ability all things considered -and mind-control has been shruged off before-.

Originally posted by Q99
And the same can be said of the OP hax- most of it is limited in range. Doflamingo's definitely. Even Kuma's may have a lot of hax effects, but they all require a direct paw-hit to do all but the non-hax attacks.

Kuma has teleporting so the range is a rather tame limitation to his ability. Not sure how haxxy is Doflamingo at this point.

Originally posted by Q99
Don't forget Naruto Space-Time hax as well. Kakashi's kamui is more of an insta-kill hax than, well, anything in OP. Heck, Dust jutsu is pretty hax in that respect too... and Naruto literally has an invisible flying guy that can just *erase* large areas.

Kamui is a rather powerful and unfair tactic, one of the few Naruto abilities that are actually broken. Invisibility can be sort of countered with haki though, it ends up being redundant.

Not counting high powered moves at hax unless they can be spammed at will and offer uber protection or can't be defended against at all. Being invisible and having a wide area of effect isn't any more devastating than being able to affect a wide area at a distance or at a speed that cannot be defended. Powerful? Yes. Unfair? Not by any means.

Originally posted by Q99
Then there's Rinnegan, that comes with both offensive and defensive hax at high level, from soul-ripping to attack absorbing to gravity bursts.

Soul ripping is one of the abilities that I agree are broken of Naruto, however, unlike Kamui it's range is more conventional.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm disagreeing on your view that OP is haxxier, in other words, commonness of hax aside.

It is because many of the hax follows stupid rules. Seriously, if you get caught by Moriah's scissors you die against sunlight. That's just stupid, but it's also cheap. And that's just one of the many idiotic abilities that come with Moriah's fruit.

For me, what makes the OP hax inherently more broken is that the abilities are more losely defined. It doesn't mean that they work in a higher spectrum of power in general, but they can easily rip through opponents you would've no business beating to begin with.

If one of Perona's Ghosts were to one-shot Sasuke through Susaano, that's just haxxy.

Bentley

Yet those characters are weaksauce and low tier, and that kind of feat can be replicated by any psychic from another universe. Hardly an unfair ability all things considered -and mind-control has been shruged off before-.

A 'low tier' possession power is an argument *for* them, not against (also, not that many psychics can manage full-blown possession like that).

And it's only shrugged when the caster is exhausted, generally, or has some sort of help. Post-skip Ino was able to possess Kinkaku in full-blown four tails mode. The Root Yamanaka was able to get Ao, one of Mei Terumi's bodyguards, as well.

Then for higher-tier possession, there's Orochimaru's permanent body stealing.

Also, Tsunade's old boyfriend had an extremely long range version of the Yamanaka possession.

Kuma has teleporting so the range is a rather tame limitation to his ability. Not sure how haxxy is Doflamingo at this point.

Note how while he can use it to move himself a fair distance, there's still time to react between when he appears and attacks, even for pre-skip characters. It's not the best teleportation around.

Kamui is a rather powerful and unfair tactic, one of the few Naruto abilities that are actually broken.

More broken than any of the OP ones, I'd say.

And Dust's only real disadvantage against it is being slower.

Not counting high powered moves at hax unless they can be spammed at will and offer uber protection or can't be defended against at all. Being invisible and having a wide area of effect isn't any more devastating than being able to affect a wide area at a distance or at a speed that cannot be defended. Powerful? Yes. Unfair? Not by any means.

It's not just a wide-area effect, it's an area effect that ignores most defenses. Dust ignores armor, toughness... it even overcame Susano'os.

As for spammable hax, how about Edo? That was mass-spammed, and very hax.

Soul ripping is one of the abilities that I agree are broken of Naruto, however, unlike Kamui it's range is more conventional.

The Gedo statue was able to do it at range when Nagato unleashed it on Hanzo's forces.

It is because many of the hax follows stupid rules. Seriously, if you get caught by Moriah's scissors you die against sunlight. That's just stupid, but it's also cheap. And that's just one of the many idiotic abilities that come with Moriah's fruit.

But it still requires you to get caught by the scissors. It may have weird rules, but Dust's much deadlier, as is soul ripping.

Compare to Itachi's sword. You hit, you're sealed, period. Moria's scissors are hax, but they're finnicky hax. Itachi's sword is hax, and it's reliably stronger hax.

Amaterasu and tsukiyomi are two other non-finnicky hax abilities. One, you make line of sight, and they're hit with fire that cannot be extinguished. The other, a look in the eye and they're instantly disabled.

A lot of genjutsu is pretty hax as well- Kurenai can both immobilizing someone and erase her presence at the same time.

The 2nd Mizukage can make himself incredibly hard to target, and his even protects against sensory abilities.

And there's a lot of other, more minor hax too. Like remember that Tsunade can scramble someone's nervous system just by tapping their neck? One-hit win against most foes.

For me, what makes the OP hax inherently more broken is that the abilities are more losely defined. It doesn't mean that they work in a higher spectrum of power in general, but they can easily rip through opponents you would've no business beating to begin with.

But they do each seem to have their own rules, and more conventional people get along fine.

If one of Perona's Ghosts were to one-shot Sasuke through Susaano, that's just haxxy.

The ghosts still need to hit... and there's multiple Naruto attacks that are similar in their ghostly nature, including the aforementioned gedo soul-ripper.

But you see? The fact that you can compare idiotic ghost attacks from one of those random fruit users proves that the hax abilties can be a factor. You're even comparing it against one of the most powerful hax techs shown in Naruto.

That's all there is to my argument, fruits hax can be deal breakers. I could try to make a rebuttal and nitpick all your points but you are essentially agreeing with me here.

all im saiyan is, sabo will one shot... jk, but when OP gets more introduced, we can do this again. we already have humans who can do fishman karate. what else will they do? elemental abilities with high enough haki mastery? it just seems like your wanking their one muticontinent busting move to the point that every strong person in one piece will be on the same island magically or something lol. their not that much stronger.

Naruto verse but not easily.

i have one question tho. if the most destructive move from narutoverse, respectively, (correct me if im wrong) is the tailed beast bomb or bijuu bomb. isnt it in character for most OP characters to not be patient and while, say... naruto is charging that blast he gets an akainu red dog to the face??? or even luffy's elephant gatling????? just saiyan, charge time is a *****.

One Piece characters are no more likely to do the quick and easy thing than Naruto characters.

For instance you remember when Kizaru destroyed the key to Ace's chains? Why didn't he just put a blast through Luffy's skull? The target is much bigger.

thats not the example i used, people like akainu and luffy, who i stated, are alot less trolly than kizaru who would stand on zoros back for 5 minutes rather than ending him, when akainu chased ace down spouting stuff about whitebeard to slow him so he could kill him, he isnt going to wait for naruto to charge bijuu bomb, tho kizaru would.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
One Piece characters are no more likely to do the quick and easy thing than Naruto characters.

For instance you remember when Kizaru destroyed the key to Ace's chains? Why didn't he just put a blast through Luffy's skull? The target is much bigger.

Kizaru was sure he could destroy a key, he wasn't sure he could one-shot Luffy. He did the smart, efficient choice.

Sugar wrecks the Narutoverse 😖hifty:

One-piece verse wins.

They're the fastest in the HST, while Narutoverse is the slowest and least durable.

Itachi solo's.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Itachi solo's.

No toy is soloing the OP verse 😈

Originally posted by Bentley
No toy is soloing the OP verse 😈

Except Itachi. 😉

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Except Itachi. 😉

Without sharigan Itachi is nothing, toy monkeys have no sharigan awesr

Exactly how does Sugar's power work? I mean she had to directly touch Robin to turn her into a toy yet we saw none of that when Kryos went all toy-soldier.

But really having folks like Enel and Kuma around doesn't bode well for the Naruto verse, then again Juubi biju bombs could arguably kill everybody unless someone, like Kuma, ports it away.

Originally posted by Bentley
Without sharigan Itachi is nothing, toy monkeys have no sharigan awesr

With sharingan, Itachi solo's. 👆

Sugar gets one-panneled with finger genjutsu.

Madara could effectively mass-produce Shichibukai level threats with his wood clones... *before* he gained Juubi power.

We don't even know what One Piece's god-tiers are capable of. So for now, Sage of the Six Paths and his brother, Juubi, and Kaguya can solo.

Originally posted by Luffygear4
i have one question tho. if the most destructive move from narutoverse, respectively, (correct me if im wrong) is the tailed beast bomb or bijuu bomb. isnt it in character for most OP characters to not be patient and while, say... naruto is charging that blast he gets an akainu red dog to the face??? or even luffy's elephant gatling????? just saiyan, charge time is a *****.

no one answered my question.