I meant that the best SW worksread: EU surrounds the films. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, Revenge of the Sith, Labyrinth of Evil, Cloak of Deception, Shatterpoint, etc. outstrip everything I've seen of the KOTOR-era minus the first KOTOR game.
And NJO had its moments. Destiny's Way, Star By Star, Traitor, and The Unifying Force are all excellent.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's putting it mildly. The best SW works tend to be the ones that surround the film era. The farther out you go, the lamer shit tends to be.
I disagree. Dark Horse's KotoR comic is one of the best SW series there is, and I dig their Knight Errant and Legacy too.
Plus, there's been some really wretched stuff not far from the movies. Crystal Star? Black Fleet Crisis?
The primary decider seems to be who makes it. Most of Dark Horse's comics are pretty good (not counting some of their early ones). Bioware is good. Obsidian is ok. Bantam books is hit-and-miss (hits: Thrawn trilogy, X-wing books), Del Rey tends to have a lot more misses with a few gems.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I meant that the bestSW worksread: EU surrounds the films. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, Revenge of the Sith, Labyrinth of Evil, Cloak of Deception, Shatterpoint, etc. outstrip everything I've seen of the KOTOR-era minus the first KOTOR game.And NJO had its moments. Destiny's Way, Star By Star, Traitor, and The Unifying Force are all excellent.
Actually, Revan is the exception really. The other books for TOR were pretty good. And even then it's not horrid bad bad; it just fails to justify the reputation KotOR II lumped on Revan, because Drew either didn't play the game or didn't agree with its conclusions.
And the Clone Wars cartoon was rubbish too. GL had his grubby mitts all over it, and it's a Johnny Bravo looking atrocity, with Yoda ragdolling entire armies and Jedi doing stupid things that defy established G-canon. Then you have Asoka the Godlike being, etc. etc.
I disagree that good material stems immediately off of G-canon; I accept that G-canon breeds the most immediate material but just as much is terrible. CW cartoon, TFU, etc. are abominations.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, Revan is the exception really. The other books for TOR were pretty good. And even then it's not horrid bad bad; it just fails to justify the reputation KotOR II lumped on Revan, because Drew either didn't play the game or didn't agree with its conclusions.
None of them come close to rivaling the books I mentioned.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And the Clone Wars cartoon was rubbish too. GL had his grubby mitts all over it, and it's a Johnny Bravo looking atrocity, with Yoda ragdolling entire armies and Jedi doing stupid things that defy established G-canon. Then you have Asoka the Godlike being, etc. etc.
The Clone Wars mini was all right, I don't have a particular attachment to it. But if a story is bad because its characters are wanked, there's a lot more to face the guillotine.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I disagree that good material stems immediately off of G-canon; I accept that G-canon breeds the most immediate material but just as much is terrible. CW cartoon, TFU, etc. are abominations.
Most of the good material stems immediately from G-canon because it's the most important and successful of all the Star Wars storylines. Naturally, the most talented authors tend to gravitate towards it.
Though again, it's conceded that it has its fair share of literary fecal matter.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And obviously the movie era has its shit releases. But it also happens to have more good ones than any other.
Isn't that just because the stuff surrounding the movie still makes up, like, 70-80% of SW releases?
It's only relatively recently that the past has had stuff outside the Tales of the Jedi comic, that the future has had more than the immediate future a few years past the movies, and that the past has multiple well-developed time frames.
Also, the new Legacy comic is turning out pretty good. More likable main and better pacing than the first one.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, Revan is the exception really. The other books for TOR were pretty good. And even then it's not horrid bad bad; it just fails to justify the reputation KotOR II lumped on Revan, because Drew either didn't play the game or didn't agree with its conclusions.And the Clone Wars cartoon was rubbish too. GL had his grubby mitts all over it, and it's a Johnny Bravo looking atrocity, with Yoda ragdolling entire armies and Jedi doing stupid things that defy established G-canon. Then you have Asoka the Godlike being, etc. etc.
I disagree that good material stems immediately off of G-canon; I accept that G-canon breeds the most immediate material but just as much is terrible. CW cartoon, TFU, etc. are abominations.
Woah woah woah woah! Which CW cartoon? The Tartakovsky cartoon from 2003 was ****ing amazing, G-canon be damned. Its the new one thats shit on a piss sandwich.
Originally posted by Q99
Isn't that just because the stuff surrounding the movie still makes up, like, 70-80% of SW releases?It's only relatively recently that the past has had stuff outside the Tales of the Jedi comic, that the future has had more than the immediate future a few years past the movies, and that the past has multiple well-developed time frames.
Also, the new Legacy comic is turning out pretty good. More likable main and better pacing than the first one.
^ This. G-canon also gets a lion's share of the EU. So naturally it is going to get a larger share of better authors. I'm sure if the same authors wrote TOR era books, they would probably you know, still be good. There's nothing inherently superior about G-canon, except for consistency.
No wait, that's a joke. There's no consistency.
Originally posted by Petrus
Revan went fvcking nuts in TOR. I realized that entirely when he programmed HK to annihilate every being with Sith ancestry. Like, wtf Revan? WHAT ABOUT PRAVEN?!?!
Yeah, but considering he was tortured and mindraped for years, this is rather light. At least he didn't go completely hurr hurr evil and try to kill everyone.
I think of it as this way; Revan may perhaps be more powerful after his recovery than he was before his capture, but his mind is cracked and he's a shadow of his former glory. I also think that his characterization is horrible given the persona KotOR I and II built up and the lackluster savant we see in his personal novel and then the crazy old dude in TOR. Wasted potential.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Damn ****ing straight. Revan was a genius who thought years ahead of everyone else and was unconventional and interesting. Drew turned him into the worst thing he could: Just another Jedi. He was bland and boring and he was an idiot.
Vene said it best when he likened Revan to Caesar or Alexander. Revan was a war hero, a charismatic leader, and a rebel movement figurehead. Drew turned him into a mechanic with Force powers.