He reached his peak just like almost every Jedi but Anakin before he even was redeemed.
The rest was just Force powers and their effects. The boost of tapping into the light side, the dark side, etc that Luke, Jacen, etc experience when in states like Oneness, or the boost Malgus felt, etc. Or a temporary boost from tutanimis, or from Force drain, etc.
Yoda's ability to no-sell lightning with his bare hands was indicative of his own amazing power. Revan replicated the same feat shortly after being released from torture against someone whose lightning previously ashed someone and thus is stronger. Revan's raw power probably eclipses Yoda's if there's a direct
cocorrelation between the technique and power in the Force.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yoda's ability to no-sell lightning with his bare hands was indicative of his own amazing power. Revan replicated the same feat shortly after being released from torture against someone whose lightning previously ashed someone and thus is stronger. Revan's raw power probably eclipses Yoda's if there's a direct
cocorrelation between the technique and power in the Force.
Are you saying Nyriss' lightning was more powerful than Sidious'? 😉
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yoda's ability to no-sell lightning with his bare hands was indicative of his own amazing power. Revan replicated the same feat shortly after being released from torture
So did Luke for a fraction of a second in the RoTJ novelization.
against someone whose lightning previously ashed someone and thus is stronger.
Dooku was nearly RoTS Anakin and Vader's equal in raw Force power - like 90-95% of him I'd say.
Yoda often defeated Force users with TK alone (Book of Sith and TCW: Ambush) not to mention Obi-wan uses the Grand Master as the bar for Force sensitives (TPM) and Lucas claims he's this Uber Jedi (ESB: 30 years later documentary).
Every other Jedi that was Yoda's species (there were 2 of them: one in KoToR I and another featured in TPM era EU continuity) were among the top Masters; as they were Members Council - suggesting Force sensitivity as a trait common among that species.
Then there's CW to stack his TK abilities fairly to the exaggerations of the Force in general during KoToR/ToR - there's Starkiller II's feats and the implications of Yoda's far greater feats as he was within 90-95% of Sidious (RoTS). I doubt Revan's Force repel could go a fraction of the way Yoda's could, just the explosion of Sidious' Force lightning kills TK beast Starkiller.
Sidious himself turned traitors to ash in Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison part 5 - he insta-killed 24 Storm Troopers with it in the beginning of Dark Horse's Empire series. He disintegrated his Sith Spawn with it in Visionaries. He insta-killed hundreds of Ewoks with it in Empire At War: Forces of corruption.
Revan's raw power probably eclipses Yoda's if there's a directThere is no correlation between how fast or innately one can learn esoteric techniques and Force potential, Darth Plagueis affirms this much.
cocorrelation between the technique and power in the Force.
Plagueis also asserts the efficacy of development in such esoteric techniques is not exclusive, claiming Force talent is dependent on determination.
Force power is innate, but there are probably infinite are techniques within the Force that can effect power levels - Force Harmony, Dark Side Corruption (Nexus), lots of Hatred or lots of Compassion (limitless when you consider Oneness can be achieved through it), Tutaminus, Essence transfer, and all kinds of other ways to increase power level for a time.
'Power level' is merely how far one can go with an ability like Force push.
Originally posted by Q99
Different force users have different specialties. Horn was awesome at that technique but less powerful overall.
Horn has a genetic issue which makes this the case so the comparison is moot.
Oneness, stop using novelizationsto ignore movie canon and buff your faves. It takes me a long time to post anything on this tablet so I'm being selective in my replies. Or just lazy.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Oneness, stop using novelizations
I'm not just going to use G Canon, I'm going to use everything unless you want to exclude EU material like the entire pre-Trilogy or post-trilogy continuity from the versus debates.
In that case I suggest you go into the Star Wars Trilogy Forum and make versus debates there.
If we exclude the novelizations, the whole thing breaks down, nothing makes any sense; why would every member of TOR's Jedi order be literally hundreds of thousands of times more powerful than everyone from the films if they were just a normal Jedi!?
Lol!
The novelizations even explain a lot of the victories in the films that otherwise make no sense.
Read the SW canon page on Wookiepedia, chock full of quotes from LFL. They don't agree with your decision to use lesser canon to contradict G-canon so why should we? It's just cherry picking on your part. You refuse to accept anything TOR related because it's not the movies or it stood you up at prom or something and then you use BS novelizations to further stack the deck in your favor.
Be consistent.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Gods no. But only because typing on this tablet takes forever and I don't want to fight off the legions without PC access and a whole bottle of no-doze.Also, the direct comparison here is between Dooku and Nyriss, and Nyriss struck me as the better of the two in the lightning department.
Interesting. I have and would again say that Nyriss' lightning is at least comparable to Sidious'. Sidious' lightning has shown the ability to completely disintegrate a being, and so has Nyriss'. In fact, it does this even after breaking through a Force barrier, a superior feat on the surface.
This doesn't mean Nyriss is as powerful as Sidious. This is her charged lightning we are comparing to Sidious' lightning at base level. But the fact is that Revan still caught that charged lightning with minimal difficulty and threw it back at her. Yoda didn't manage that with Sidious'.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseWookieepedia says the novels are g canon - which is more than I can say for any TOR cinematic seen in game.
Read the SW canon page on Wookiepedia, chock full of quotes from LFL. They don't agree with your decision to use lesser canon to contradict G-canon so why should we? It's just cherry picking on your part. You refuse to accept anything TOR related because it's not the movies or it stood you up at prom or something and then you use BS novelizations to further stack the deck in your favor.
A different way something plays in the novelizations is still legally considered as canon material, that is probably because these differences don't affect the moral of the story.
Be consistent.
The capabilities of Jedi in ToR are legitimately inconsistent with the abilities of the Jedi in the films.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Interesting. I have and would again say that Nyriss' lightning is at least comparable to Sidious'.
Sidious' may as have been above Vitiate's. There's zero evidence to the contrary.
Sidious' lightning has shown the ability to completely disintegrate a being, and so has Nyriss'.
Vitiate's hasn't shown to be capable of doing that, yet it is understood that it is a great deal stronger.
In fact, it does this even after breaking through a Force barrier, a superior feat on the surface.
But can she kill hundreds of opponents from all directions within a 600 meter radius with standard Force lightning?