Emperor Malgus and Revan Reborn vs. Exar Kun and Ulic Qel Droma

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Ulic is the Malak to Exar Kun's Revan that is he has far less feats than his master in spite of having good deal of hype.

This is somewhat true. Ulic has more feats relating to him, but they take place in earlier comics and few people read them. Malak is more nebulous; he is in the comics, but his feats if any are rare (or at least unknown to us here; I don't know of anyone who has read all of the KotOR comics) and the only version of him we can argue even slightly is Augmented Star Forge Malak, since canonically he was juiced during his finale with Revan.

Ulic is, however, a master swordsman. His equal in that department, Exar Kun, toyed with and destroyed a Jedi master and proficient duelist of over 500+ years experience. Pretty much the moment Kun decided Vodo was annoying to him, he killed him. It's one of the most conclusive stomps in TOTJ. If Kun didn't exist, or Ulic had stayed a Jedi and helped defeat Kun, then he'd be more memorable, perhaps have more feats, or would have used the Force to do something other than aid his saber skills. But as it is, he has one facet of Kun's uberness and negligible Force usage on-panel.

That being said, Kun genuinely thought Ulic was a threat compared to Aleema, who can generate a Force illusion army and all her Krath kin, so maybe he had a lot more potential than we realize. There's just no reason to assume he can TK or tank the TK of anyone Master level of higher in this case.

I've read all the KOTOR comics and Malak doesn't appear to do anything in them.

He fights Cassus Fett, gets pwned by Mandalore and spars with Jarael as far as I know.

Right. He doesn't do anything.

And his name is atrocious.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

That being said, Kun genuinely thought Ulic was a threat compared to Aleema, who can generate a Force illusion army and all her Krath kin, so maybe he had a lot more potential than we realize. There's just no reason to assume he can TK or tank the TK of anyone Master level of higher in this case.

I think he does indeed have a shitlod of untapped potential. After all, Ragnos chose him as apprentice and Kun as Master, suggesting Ragnos thought Ulic had the potential to surpass or equal his Master.

Well, both had similar amulets and Kun was drastically stronger in the Force, so I think Ulic might be the Obi-Wan to Kun's Anakin in that regard. But you're right, improvement was not out of the question. They really could flesh out those characters and that era better, but IIIRC, they were limited in the number of comics they were allowed to print by LFL.

Maybe, but the difference is that the Jedi Code doesn't require the Padawan to surpass and kill his Master, lol.

Yeah, I think that era had more potential.

And KotOR retcons a lot of it or ignores it. Double bladed sabers, made by Sith Kun (and unfound by the Jedi, I might add. It was on him when he died in that flaming temple) become norm for both Jedi and Sith. Tech looks PT instead of archaic like the comics. Vima disappears in 40 years, neither hide nor hair is found. Etc. etc.

The writers could've done a much better job with KotOR and prior. They did magnificently with the KotOR game, but other than that it's nothing too good. Which sucks, because I'm a big EU fan.

EDIT - I do love the TOR storylines, though.

KotOR was my gateway drug into EU. Before that, I wasn't terribly interested. Then I rewatched AotC, got some Clone War novels, and it escalated from there. The reason I first came here was related to KotOR Google searches even.

KotOR is the EU's marihuana.

Everything about Revan is hazy. This makes sense.

It also makes that cracked article about Dick Revan much more plausible.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The reason I first came here was related to KotOR Google searches even.

Thats how I found you guys as well.

OMG me too.

Yeah, I arrived a day before SWVF came onboard. Revan v. Vader was the thread. And it was before RotS had even come out.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
This is somewhat true. Ulic has more feats relating to him, but they take place in earlier comics and few people read them. Malak is more nebulous; he is in the comics, but his feats if any are rare (or at least unknown to us here; I don't know of anyone who has read all of the KotOR comics) and the only version of him we can argue even slightly is Augmented Star Forge Malak, since canonically he was juiced during his finale with Revan.

Ulic is, however, a master swordsman. His equal in that department, Exar Kun, toyed with and destroyed a Jedi master and proficient duelist of over 500+ years experience. Pretty much the moment Kun decided Vodo was annoying to him, he killed him. It's one of the most conclusive stomps in TOTJ. If Kun didn't exist, or Ulic had stayed a Jedi and helped defeat Kun, then he'd be more memorable, perhaps have more feats, or would have used the Force to do something other than aid his saber skills. But as it is, he has one facet of Kun's uberness and negligible Force usage on-panel.

That being said, Kun genuinely thought Ulic was a threat compared to Aleema, who can generate a Force illusion army and all her Krath kin, so maybe he had a lot more potential than we realize. There's just no reason to assume he can TK or tank the TK of anyone Master level of higher in this case.

I disagree. If Vodo had a saber he would not have lost so easily. The only reason Kun won was due to his raw power to cut through his cane. He wouldn't be able to do that to a saber.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And KotOR retcons a lot of it or ignores it. Double bladed sabers, made by Sith Kun (and unfound by the Jedi, I might add. It was on him when he died in that flaming temple) become norm for both Jedi and Sith. Tech looks PT instead of archaic like the comics. Vima disappears in 40 years, neither hide nor hair is found. Etc. etc.

Well, to be fair, Bastila Shan was originally going to be Vima Sunrider, but they changed it last minute.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, to be fair, Bastila Shan was originally going to be Vima Sunrider, but they changed it last minute.

Which was due to some copyright claim on the name "Sunrider".