Eragon vs. Link

That's incorrect, and not just because it was a Yeti, and they were warped entirely into an evil ice monster, but yeah. Link also carried around the Fused Shadows for a while, which Midna used to bust a castle and which possessed and warped other creatures into giant super-evil bastard boss monster things.

What it shows though is that Fi's protection against magic extends to that as well, and Fi is peer to the triforce, a failsafe against it's combined power, and has actually overcome the combined might of it to defeat Ganon in aLttP, a game where the Triforce created an alternate dark world in the image of the light world for Ganondorf to rule over in the sacred realm.

Anyway, what we've hit is that if Eragon circumvents the lock he's on the level of Fi with his magic, and they're both planetary+ beings? Hm. That might give him the win then. It's impossible to say definitively whether Fi could stop him or not. shrug I'm still leaning to yes since Eragon sounds like a weaker version of Ganon with the completed triforce due to his lesser physical stats, who Link still managed to best in aLttP. But my preference for Zelda is no secret so it could also be that. 😛

That said, would he circumvent the lock? And can he do so before Link beats the crap out of him?

It might just be me, but that sounds alot more like protection against transmutation then actual mental defense against a telepathy based attack.

He would. Eragon in the books showed no hesitation using the One word when the situationed deemed it a requirement. Coupled with not needing to hold himself back on account of energy lose, he will most likely cut loose from the start and utilize his magic at it's fullest potential.

Mountain incoming 😛

Originally posted by Utrigita
It might just be me, but that sounds alot more like protection against transmutation then actual mental defense against a telepathy based attack.

He would. Eragon in the books showed no hesitation using the One word when the situationed deemed it a requirement. Coupled with not needing to hold himself back on account of energy lose, he will most likely cut loose from the start and utilize his magic at it's fullest potential.

Mountain incoming 😛

All right, so Eragon has a much better shot at this than I was being led to believe, but there's no way to know for certain who is more powerful between he and Fi. So it really comes down to if his Sp.A can beat out Link's SpD.

(Yes, I'm reducing this to a pokemon battle)

Link has higher HP, Atk, Def, SpD. and Spe, where Eragon has spiked Sp.A.

If he gets the chance to attack it comes down to his Sp.A v.s. Link's Sp.D.

Which is higher?

Therein lies our conundrum. It's Unknowable™ currently. Overall I'm still prone to giving Link the nod based on his superiority in all other areas leaving the full power of Eragon's magic his only possible recourse.

In short, Link's higher speed nets him a first move, and his higher BST heavily favours him. awesome

But to be serious again:

Assuming Eragon has knowledge of Link he's more likely to go for this. I'd call a tie in that scenario since we don't know, and in all other scenarios Link wins, giving him the majority overall, even if it were to be a slim majority.

If they have no knowledge of one another this shifts hard into Link's favour as one arrow will do it.

So, that's my current stance, what say you, Utrigita?

And since the mental attack in Eragon are based around magic, it will defend against it. Got it.

I have no idea about what level Fi operates on, but based on what you have described I'll say that their level sounds about equal. Making it hard to give a proper call about who will win.

Tooo muuuch pokeemooon .....

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Oh I agree that if Eragon doesn't rather quickly turn this into a magic based fight, then he is screwed, however knowing that he likes to open with the 12 death words, I find it likely that it will quickly evolve into that. With that said however I agree with your overall assesment. 🙂

Wow, didn't expect this many responses so quickly.

Eragon doesn't get the death words in this match, unfortunately for him.

As for Link just putting an arrow into Eragon, it is not hard for Eragon to stop arrows, he has done so with a one-word spell before he got the dragon souls (these do not go away when he draws on their energy, they are like gemstones which hold the mind and soul of dragons whose bodies had long since died).

Eragon doesn't really need the death words since as Ult says he could just drop a mountain on Link or do something similarly lethal even without them.

As for Link just putting an arrow into Eragon, it is not hard for Eragon to stop arrows, he has done so with a one-word spell before he got the dragon souls (these do not go away when he draws on their energy, they are like gemstones which hold the mind and soul of dragons whose bodies had long since died).

He usually uses Wards for that, though, so it depends on how much prep he gets for this battle. On the other hand it has been so long since I read that book that I can't recall that much. I don't think he's ever stopped an arrow without a pre-set Ward, but I can't say for sure.

Though Link apparently only has 3 arrows so I'm not sure it matters much.

Unless the arrows have some major speed behind them, he can just dodge, as his perception of time is so great that they should be easy to get out of the way of. And he always has those wards in place. That's why he spent so much time pouring his energy into the Belt of Beloth the Wise. So whenever he got in a fight, his protective wards would draw from the belt and not him directly.

In Eldest, when he was returning to the Varden, many of the Varden's archers shot at him, thinking that he was an enemy. He stopped the arrows using "Letta."

Originally posted by KingD19
Unless the arrows have some major speed behind them, he can just dodge, as his perception of time is so great that they should be easy to get out of the way of. And he always has those wards in place. That's why he spent so much time pouring his energy into the Belt of Beloth the Wise. So whenever he got in a fight, his protective wards would draw from the belt and not him directly.

This is very true, and while Eragon lost the Belt of Beloth the Wise, he now has an even greater source of energy for those wards with the Eldunari

With all those Eldunari, he could send the arrows right back at Link while setting them on fire and like 12 other status effects all at once.

^ this is also very true, as the possibilities for Eragon's magic are limited only by his knowledge of the ancient language (and he knows nearly every word in the ancient language), his imagination, and his energy (not a problem with the Eldunarí).

I suppose we can discuss this past the thread's tidy resolution. uhuh

Originally posted by KingD19
Unless the arrows have some major speed behind them, he can just dodge, as his perception of time is so great that they should be easy to get out of the way of. And he always has those wards in place. That's why he spent so much time pouring his energy into the Belt of Beloth the Wise. So whenever he got in a fight, his protective wards would draw from the belt and not him directly.

To give an idea what Link's arrows are like, here's how durable your standard Goron is:

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A Goron, once sleeping, is plainly unwakable.

This Goron woke up far from home at the end of his nap. Under water in Zora's domain, after being blown from inside Death Mountain to the base of said mountain and being transported by Midna to Zora's Domain. The following is a [b]quick and dirty calc. Read: Lazy.

Let's find out how much that rock he's in weighs...

If Link is 1.67 m tall then the rock the Goron is sleeping in is 4.3m in diameter where I measured.

Let's be lazy and math it as a cylinder while leaving out part of it because I can't get a screenshot that perfectly captures the entire thing. woo.

That means that what we can see of it in this picture is 12.75 meters tall. Cyclinder calculator: http://www.online-calculators.co.uk/volumetric/cylindervolume.php

Volume of 743.9135639233247, density of 2700 kg/m^3

2008566.62259297669 kg, 2008.5 metric tonnes.

2209.4 short tons. This is just what we can see, so lowballing slightly.

This rock was airborne for 15 seconds. awesome[/B]

This is Darbus, Goron Patriarch.

Goron society runs on strength. The strongest are the most respected and the weak are not even permitted to meet with the Goron leaders or set foot on Death Mountain. This means Darbus is at least as awesome as your standard Goron.

This is Fyrus.

http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/d/d3/Fyrus_(beta).png

This is what happens when a casually class 100 volcanic explosion tanking stone giant is warped and empowered by an evil magical artifact. So our Goron+ is now a Goron++. Or a Super Goron II. awesome

Link is not only stronger than a Super Goron II, he can damage it with his bow.

Even factoring his abnormally large and heavy arrow heads, the speed requirement for this to work is asinine.

Now, before someone thinks I'm saying Link's arrows > Volcanic explosions, I am not necessarily saying that. Though I probably should, because that is metal as ****. What I am saying is that over the small area an arrow strikes the force in just that place is greater.

This is the least asinine high showing Link's arrows have. In OoT he shoots one 'to the sun', which should be regarded as out of the atmosphere rather than to the actual sun since that is the difference between escape velocity and Faster Than Light™.

In WW he shoots a god of tornadoes through the wind wall of his tornado with enough force to wound the deity and impress him with his strength.

So, yeah, your standard anti-arrow ward isn't going to cut it. haermm

Originally posted by jmoul
Wow, didn't expect this many responses so quickly.

Eragon doesn't get the death words in this match, unfortunately for him.

As for Link just putting an arrow into Eragon, it is not hard for Eragon to stop arrows, he has done so with a one-word spell before he got the dragon souls (these do not go away when he draws on their energy, they are like gemstones which hold the mind and soul of dragons whose bodies had long since died).

There's no way to say if he could overcome Fi's antimagical properties or not, though. mmm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't think Utrigita was arguing for a death word anyway, so much as a full-powered mental attack.

There's no way to say if he could overcome Fi's antimagical properties or not, though. mmm

👆 I was merely using the death words as a way to show that Eragon normally against opponents he deems dangerous opens with the death words = magic.

Eragon will break through it eventually, simply given the amount of energy at Eragons disposal, the greatest issue for me is, that I have no idea how long breaking through that magical protection will take. To me there is to many unknown factors.

The drop a mountain idea seems like a pretty good and quick way to deal with the magical protection.

Originally posted by jmoul
The drop a mountain idea seems like a pretty good and quick way to deal with the magical protection.

Besides, if he tries it Link can just shatter it with Fi.

Or hit Eragon in the face with it.

That second link is obviously hyperbole. As for the first, has Link ever done something like that?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Eragon would never be able to pull this off before Link gibbed him, lol.

Besides, if he tries it Link can just shatter it with Fi.

Or hit Eragon in the face with it.

Eragon could also just bring down a lightning bolt or fifty, I don't think any amount of protection can stop that. Eragon also has the Name of the Ancient Language, allowing him to alter the effects of all magic. He can use this, strip away Link's magical protections, and then have his way with Link for as long as he damn well pleases.

Eragon can only change the rules he himself plays by. He can't change the rules of Link's magic, because Link doesn't use the Ancient Language.

Eragon's haxed magic is too much.

By the end of the series, Eragon basically became a walking deus ex machina.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Eragon can only change the rules he himself plays by. He can't change the rules of Link's magic, because Link doesn't use the Ancient Language.

Isn't magic equivalence assumed in vs fights? Otherwise, one could argue the MS has never defended against ancient language magic and therefore can't.