Kurse VS The Hulk

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Look around, address the points already made by me and others. Then come back to me with this comment.

Your blind assertions here have been addressed, whether or not that's acceptable to your worldview.

Your points ignore that Kurse's powers are specifically designed to resist Asgardians/Asgard-tech; why he was able to easy tank blows from Thor(an Asgardian) and Mjolnir(Asgardian weapon), yet Loki (a Frost Giant) was able to easy pierce his armor and flesh with a bit of metal (non Asgardian gear).

Claiming my assertions are blind in order to ignore them is a silly tactic. Clearly they're not considering the above and what we saw in the film 🙂 Unless you really want to claim Loki and pointy metal are just more powerful than Thor and Mjolnir?

Originally posted by FrothByte
A 12 yr old kid is hilariously weaker than me, that doesn't mean he doesn't have the strength to put a knife through my chest.

You can't claim that Hulk is immune to getting stabbed by magical asgardian/elven weapons simply because Hulk has never tried getting stabbed by one of them.

The only Asgardian weapon Hulk ever faced was Mjolnir, and Mjolnir hurt him far more than it hurt Kurse.

Okay...

I didn't claim any such thing or like stance.

Because Kurse's powers are specifically designed to counter Asgardians/Tech. Why Loki was able to do more with some metal than Thor with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your points ignore that Kurse's powers are specifically designed to resist Asgardians/Asgard-tech; why he was able to easy tank blows from Thor(an Asgardian) and Mjolnir(Asgardian weapon), yet Loki (a Frost Giant) was able to easy pierce his armor and flesh with a bit of metal (non Asgardian gear).

Claiming my assertions are blind in order to ignore them is a silly tactic. Clearly they're not considering the above and what we saw in the film 🙂 Unless you really want to claim Loki and pointy metal are just more powerful than Thor and Mjolnir?

A good point.
What the hell did Loki stab Kurse with any ways?

Originally posted by the ninjak
A good point.
What the hell did Loki stab Kurse with any ways?

One of the elven blades it seemed.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your points ignore that Kurse's powers are specifically designed to resist Asgardians/Asgard-tech; why he was able to easy tank blows from Thor(an Asgardian) and Mjolnir(Asgardian weapon), yet Loki (a Frost Giant) was able to easy pierce his armor and flesh with a bit of metal (non Asgardian gear).

Claiming my assertions are blind in order to ignore them is a silly tactic. Clearly they're not considering the above and what we saw in the film 🙂 Unless you really want to claim Loki and pointy metal are just more powerful than Thor and Mjolnir?

Was it said that Kurse was specifically designed against Asgardians? If not, that's a pretty wild assumption. 😐

Loki stabbed Kurse from behind, using an Elven blade. Thor struck him with a hammer. Again, unless you think Hulk is going to get an elven stab Kurse with, I do not understand why this is relevant.

Besides, piercing damage =/= Blunt Force Damage. Not exactly rocket science.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was it said that Kurse was specifically designed against Asgardians? If not, that's a pretty wild assumption. 😐

Loki stabbed Kurse from behind, using an Elven blade. Thor struck him with a hammer. Again, unless you think Hulk is going to get an elven stab Kurse with, I do not understand why this is relevant.

Besides, piercing damage =/= Blunt Force Damage. Not exactly rocket science.

The line went something like: "No power of our enemies (that would be the Asgardians) will stop you". Combine that with Kurse not being damaged at all my Thor and Mjolnir, it's clear.

So your argument is that a random elven blade from some foot soldier is more powerful than Mjolnir. Random Asgardian sword did nothing to him as well. It's clear his invulnerability hinges on the Asgardian factor. Hulk's power > Loki with a sharp weapon.

Ah, so now if Mjolnir was a spear, Thor would have been able to damage Kurse. Silly argument that ignores Kurse's specific power-set and why Loki a Frost Giant was able to damage him with a non Asgardian weapon while Thor the second most powerful Asgardian with the most powerful Asgardian weapon did nothing.

Your right. The Dark Elves no doubt focused their efforts into turning the artifact into a weapon to be used against the Asgardians.

Silly as it is.

Most fans who watch this film will take Kurse as just being an absolute beast who could take on most anyone. All needed for his downfall was an army of Asagardian guards using fallen Dark Elf weapons against him apparently.
Cheapened even further by those damn mini black hole void grenades.

Seriously, KMC's Thor-love is a bit sick-inducing but, how anyone saw "Kurse" (remember, these "Kurses" are bog standard Dark Elves amped on some lump of coal that they crush) as a "beast".

He clobbered a bunch of Asgardian hand ninja. Nothing impressive at all. Hell, even the Dark Elves, as weak as they are, were as equals to those no-marks.

Thor is the only Asgardian of any stature, Odin aside. And his main weapon [Mjolnir] was specifically countered by the Dark Elves' magic. So he had nothing to really attack Kurse with.

Kurse, the whole idea of "The Kursed" was one of several action/story elements that completely deflated the film for me.

Also, how did the first Kursed one die? IIRC, he exploded for some reason, no?

Originally posted by Robtard
The line went something like: "No power of our enemies (that would be the Asgardians) will stop you". Combine that with Kurse not being damaged at all my Thor and Mjolnir, it's clear.

So your argument is that a random elven blade from some foot soldier is more powerful than Mjolnir. Random Asgardian sword did nothing to him as well. It's clear his invulnerability hinges on the Asgardian factor. Hulk's power > Loki with a sharp weapon.

Ah, so now if Mjolnir was a spear, Thor would have been able to damage Kurse. Silly argument that ignores Kurse's specific power-set and why Loki a Frost Giant was able to damage him with a non Asgardian weapon while Thor the second most powerful Asgardian with the most powerful Asgardian weapon did nothing.

That's a reference to his power, not to some specific Asgardian invulnerability. I have seen and read every piece of info ever put out about this movie and not once was this idea even brought up.

Again, the Kursed were not immune to Asgardian weaponry. Just watch the opening sequence. They were however ridiculously powerful, and need to be cut down a great deal to be put down. Particularly Kurse.

No, my argument is that a random Elven blade is different from Mjolnir. Just like Loki being able to do more damage to Thor with one of his enchanted blades does not mean he is more powerful than the Hulk.

Yes, exactly that. Fyi, the soldier that struck Kurse, did so on the tip of his shoulder armor but still managed to find a foot hold. And Loki is far above a regular Asgardian.

Originally posted by Robtard
The line went something like: "No power of our enemies (that would be the Asgardians) will stop you". Combine that with Kurse not being damaged at all my Thor and Mjolnir, it's clear.

So your argument is that a random elven blade from some foot soldier is more powerful than Mjolnir. Random Asgardian sword did nothing to him as well. It's clear his invulnerability hinges on the Asgardian factor. Hulk's power > Loki with a sharp weapon.

Ah, so now if Mjolnir was a spear, Thor would have been able to damage Kurse. Silly argument that ignores Kurse's specific power-set and why Loki a Frost Giant was able to damage him with a non Asgardian weapon while Thor the second most powerful Asgardian with the most powerful Asgardian weapon did nothing.

You're jumping to conclusions. The line "No power of our enemies will stop you" is a vary vague statement. Just because "our enemy can't stop you" doesn't mean "you can be stopped by someone who is not our enemy". If I said something like "I've trained to fight my enemies" you can't automatically assume that I'm weak against non-enemies.

But if you want to tackle it from a different angle try this: Thor took Hulk's punch full to the face. All he got was a slightly bloody nose. No broken lip, no bruised face, no black eye. Yet Loki easily stabbed Thor with his knife. Stabbed him with little effort right through his armor. Would you therefore say that Loki's blades > Hulk's punch? A sharp weapon behaves differently from a blunt weapon. And these superheroes seem to display different durability depending on whether an attack is blunt, sharp, or explosive, etc.

So Loki stabbing Kurse is not a mere thing.

So unless Hulk somehow manages to get his hands on a magical elven blade, I don't see how he's winning this.

Originally posted by janus77
Also, how did the first Kursed one die? IIRC, he exploded for some reason, no?

He was stabbed by several swords and the some random Asgardian seemed to snap his neck.

IIRC "No Asgardian weapon can kill you" or words to that effect, were said by Malekeith, to The Kursed. This was during the first Bor-fight and again afterwards but before the attack on Asgard.

It was specifically "Asgard" that he mentioned.

I remember this because, at the time I made a mental note of the cliche and figured that it would end with Jane sticking a big-ass sword through Kurse and killing him (ofcourse, that wasn't how he died but it was a case of non-Asgardian weaponry doing the deed).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor never used Mjolnir to sucker punch the Hulk.

Thor called Mjolnir to his hand and turned around to swing at Hulk. Hulk had no idea the weapon was in his grip. How is that not a sucker punch?

Because they were in the middle of a fight and the Hulk was the one charging at Thor.

And Hulk was rushing towards him with the intent of beating the shit out of him. It was an all out fight by that point. Don't really see the sucker punch. If anything Hulk sucker punched Thor twice.

Silly hulksters.

Hulk sucker punched Thor twice. Hulk blind sided Loki once and then cheap shot him again. Thor did blindside Hulk with a tackle though.

lol at Thor sucker punching Hulk with mjolnir. That was as valid a blow as any. Heck, Thor was charging at Hulk when Hulk threw an airplane wing at him. That wasn't considered a sucker punch.

👆 True about the tackle. He was saving boobs though so all is forgiven.

What sucker punches did Hulk take? Are you talking about when he knocked Thor off screen after killing the Leviathan? And what is the other one?

Maybe my head having trouble differentiating between terms, but Thor was unarmed one minute, and wielding a weapon next, and Hulk didn't see the weapon in his hand. Would it have made Hulk stop charging? Probably not, he is Hulk after all. It's a difference in expected retaliation, though.

Originally posted by ares834
What sucker punches did Hulk take? Are you talking about when he knocked Thor off screen after killing the Leviathan? And what is the other one?