SSGM Goku Sparring SS4 Gogeta

Title says it all...

They fight at the highest form..

only kicker is...

Goku God Mode asks Shenron to do the following

Goku God Mode asked Shenron to let himself fight himself in SS4 Gogeta in a permanent fusion until one of them formally asks the other 2 stop..

They fight in takes place in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber that cannot be destroyed from this fight no matter how intense it gets..

SS4 Fusion lasts for as long as he wants because of his wish.

This is a fun post please have fun with it. no squabbling or forum trump cards from Freeza ok, goku kicked his ass already!!
Please have fun!!

SSJ4 Gogeta wins. No contest.

GT scaling, Gogeta.

Possible feats, Goku.

Ok the 7th God of Destruction Buru Sama said that SSGM already undid him and that he lost..

SS God Goku cannot die..Im im pretty sure SS4 Gogeta cannot die either and since this is sparring at the highest level on both ends. The powers are unreal

SS4 Gogeta basially in my opinion is a god
However.. SS God Goku is actually a God

I think this is very different..

SS4 Gogeta basially in my opinion is a god
However.. SS God Goku is actually a God

God is a title and a type, not a power.

King Kai and Supreme Kai are both gods.

Being a god doesn't mean you can't be badly outmatched.

Originally posted by Q99
God is a title and a type, not a power.

King Kai and Supreme Kai are both gods.

Being a god doesn't mean you can't be badly outmatched.

Battle of the Gods establishes god power "is" different then normal power, though. That's why Goku couldn't detect Bill's ki, and why simply being given power by five Saiyan's wasn't enough to equal a god... Looking back at the movie, until proven otherwise, I'm thinking the reason Goku could suddenly fight Bill on even terms as a normal SSJ has less to do with gaining more raw power, then converting his regular power over to "god power"... It was even said that normal ki was essentially useless against Bills, after Goku failed to do anything against him.

Which is kind of strange, as the Kaio-Shins were indeed overmatched by Buu, and even impressed with SSJ2 Gohans power... But then, Buu's a magical being..

Originally posted by Q99
God is a title and a type, not a power.

King Kai and Supreme Kai are both gods.

Being a god doesn't mean you can't be badly outmatched.

I think that it Does matter. Look at the Power of Buri Sama compared to the Power of the Kai's

It is on another level

Originally posted by Supra
I think that it Does matter. Look at the Power of Buri Sama compared to the Power of the Kai's

It is on another level

Which has nothing to do with him being a god- they're *all* gods- and everything to do with him being much stronger.

There's more gods below SSJ1 Goku than there are gods above.

There's more gods below SSJ1 Goku than there are gods above. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by cdtm
Battle of the Gods establishes god power "is" different then normal power, though. That's why Goku couldn't detect Bill's ki, and why simply being given power by five Saiyan's wasn't enough to equal a god... Looking back at the movie, until proven otherwise, I'm thinking the reason Goku could suddenly fight Bill on even terms as a normal SSJ has less to do with gaining more raw power, then converting his regular power over to "god power"... It was even said that normal ki was essentially useless against Bills, after Goku failed to do anything against him.

Which is kind of strange, as the Kaio-Shins were indeed overmatched by Buu, and even impressed with SSJ2 Gohans power... But then, Buu's a magical being..

you are 100% correct in your statement!! Awesome post!!!!!! Keep the knowledge coming!!!

Originally posted by Q99
[B]Which has nothing to do with him being a god- they're *all* gods- and everything to do with him being much stronger.

yes God power is Different the Ki...Its the Power of a God

Buri cannot be hurt or killed or injured as a God, and neither could Goku

Also they were only fighting at 70-80% power as they both talked about and Buru was bluffing Goku telling him he was at 80% power and then later he told his keep that he was really only fighting at 70%..

We all know Goku is the God of Bluffing!!! So we can assume from this that he was fighting way less then 80%

Goku had 30 minutes of fight time as a God and 30 minutes of Training from the God of Destruction..

Goku still had no real time to Unleash the True Power of a God and as Piccalo stated during the fight...that Goku was receiving training from the God of Destruction..

Imagine what he could or can do with years of this new Power he Has with or Without actually being a God?

Its limitless, the God power that he can transfer into because he knows it exists.. Not only can he access the power without Being a God...Now he can Actually be a God by the same power that transformed him into SS Goku...

The fear of Loss of this Friends..

yes God power is Different the Ki...Its the Power of a God

Buri cannot be hurt or killed or injured as a God, and neither could Goku

Sure they could. It's just the non-gods didn't have enough omph. Vegeta was briefly able to do something, after all.

Raw power makes you invulnerable to weaker ones, after all.

Originally posted by Q99
Sure they could. It's just the non-gods didn't have enough omph. Vegeta was briefly able to do something, after all.

Raw power makes you invulnerable to weaker ones, after all.

Brother Vegeta Did Nothing...not a scratch on Buru...he was caught off guard for a few seconds, adjusted..then touched Vegeta like a flower and he lost it all

This is what Im trying to show you the power levels they can now tap into are limitless...they can acces pure energy now on a Supernatural level..its beyond anything the DBZ world ever known about..

Beyond The Universes..its raw Godly Power..

I am not arguing with you at all.. My debate is what that power can extend too and could could SS4 Gogeta match it and if he could not what is the true power of SS4 Gogeta because from what we have seen on screen, there is no power that can match SSG or SS4 Gogeta.

Omega could not do it to Gogeta..and Goku SS3 and Vegeta at what ever level could not match Buru Sama..

Only Goku could when he figured out the Power of the Gods Does exists..

Hence the Name Battle of the Gods🙂

its all in the title brother you just have to see it!!!🙂

DBZ For Life!

ps. I have watched this movie 17 times now and going to watch it again right now!!!

Brother Vegeta Did Nothing...not a scratch on Buru..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Blood flew from Bills' mouth after Vegeta hit him.

Wow blood!! Cool!!! Then what happened!? Vegeta was destroyed by the God of Destruction!

Still more than what SS3 Goku could do no matter how you downplay him.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Still more than what SS3 Goku could do no matter how you downplay him.

Who am I down playing? I love SS3 Goku, but in human form he simply cannot sustain the power drain..ss3 is a imperfect form I compare it too Trunks going Ultra SS2 or whatever the term is. He is bigger and stronger however cannot move as fast thats why we see trunks and Goku always get smashed in those forms..

Magna has yet to produce any version of SS3 in Goku that works long term..The only way it works is when he in in the other realms.

SS3 is not the debate or the OP.
This is about SSG vs SS4 Goeta based on screens and power scalings we have seen..

It would be really cool if we could get into this deeper because Battle of the Gods and Goku's new powers is the future of this Magna.

And I cannot leave back the power of SS4 Gogeta as well..

This is my in my opinion they is the ultimate forms of them and truly and impressive match up

I would appreciate it if we could stick to the OP and stop talking about something that has nothing to do with this battle..

this is

SSGM Goku vs SS4 Gogeta

Keeping it real
Peace

Originally posted by Supra
Who am I down playing?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Vegeta. Was just saying that him making Bills bleed was more than SS3 Goku ever managed to do.

No doubt however this thread is not about Vegeta or SS3 Goku, please read OP and share your thoughts on that topic

Thanks!

'God' as a title means nothing in the vast majority of fiction.

In verse example: Kami.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Vegeta. Was just saying that him making Bills bleed was more than SS3 Goku ever managed to do.

Or Mystic Gohan.

And a normal SSJ, by appearances. 🙂

Originally posted by BloodRain
'God' as a title means nothing in the vast majority of fiction.

In verse example: Kami.

The title god doesn't justify an insta win, no.

The Kaio-Shins seem to be a race of god, though, distinct from those given the title "god" like Dende.

Bills seriously muddies the waters though, as Goku had no problem reading Kaio-Shin and Kibit. When they fused, he claimed their power level was nowhere near Buu's..

Yet, Goku could not read Bills, and the reason given was because he was a god.

So, a retcon? Even though Goku could read gods just fine, BoG makes it so they have their own, different energy from ki? (Sort of like Yuu Yuu Hakusho had spirit energy, demon energy, and holy energy?)