Re: SSGM Goku Sparring SS4 Gogeta
Originally posted by Supra
Title says it all...They fight at the highest form..
only kicker is...
Goku God Mode asks Shenron to do the following
Goku God Mode asked Shenron to let himself fight himself in SS4 Gogeta in a permanent fusion until one of them formally asks the other 2 stop..
They fight in takes place in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber that cannot be destroyed from this fight no matter how intense it gets..
SS4 Fusion lasts for as long as he wants because of his wish.
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Originally posted by BloodRain
GT scaling, Gogeta.Possible feats, Goku.
Exactly this ^
If we go by feats of the System level Bills, then G!Goku > 4!Goku by pure energy output. Not so much by speed as BoG offered no feats in that area, still enough to call a win.
If we go by powerscaling then 4!Goku > G!Goku, based off Buu;
GT!Goku in base matched Rildo, who he stated was on Buu's level. GTBase!Goku > Buu
In BoG its admitted that Base!Goku < Freeza. Meaning the difference in power between BoG!Goku and GT!Goku is greater than the difference between Freeza and Buu. Also meaning that the sheer minimum is that BaseGT!Goku > BoGSS3!Goku (Minimum as this only assumes Freeza saga Goku as a SS3 would match his Buu saga self, aka without the decade+ of training), and add in SS4.. then the fusion..
GTFusion4 >>>> GT4 >>> GT3 >> GT2 > GT1 >>>> GTBase > BoG3/Buu >>> BoG2 >> BoG1 >>> Freeza > BoGBase
In powerscaling all we know is that Bills schooled with BoG3, yet can still be slightly harmed by S2!Vegeta, so he's not /massively/ above S3. Now, if someone rivalled Goku 100% equally only to have Goku turn SS1, would we not see them get torn apart? In a similar way of Bills doing so to Goku? Taking in Bills' showings against both S3Goku and PissedS2Vegeta, its not a stretch to assume Bills is around GTS1/S2, going by powerscaling. Would be a real push to say SS4.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Exactly this ^If we go by feats of the System level Bills, then G!Goku > 4!Goku by pure energy output. Not so much by speed as BoG offered no feats in that area, still enough to call a win.
If we go by powerscaling then 4!Goku > G!Goku, based off Buu;
GT!Goku in base matched Rildo, who he stated was on Buu's level. GTBase!Goku > Buu
In BoG its admitted that Base!Goku < Freeza. Meaning the difference in power between BoG!Goku and GT!Goku is greater than the difference between Freeza and Buu. Also meaning that the sheer minimum is that BaseGT!Goku > BoGSS3!Goku (Minimum as this only assumes Freeza saga Goku as a SS3 would match his Buu saga self, aka without the decade+ of training), and add in SS4.. then the fusion..
GTFusion4 >>>> GT4 >>> GT3 >> GT2 > GT1 >>>> GTBase > BoG3/Buu >>> BoG2 >> BoG1 >>> Freeza > BoGBase
In powerscaling all we know is that Bills schooled with BoG3, yet can still be slightly harmed by S2!Vegeta, so he's not /massively/ above S3. Now, if someone rivalled Goku 100% equally only to have Goku turn SS1, would we not see them get torn apart? In a similar way of Bills doing so to Goku? Taking in Bills' showings against both S3Goku and PissedS2Vegeta, its not a stretch to assume Bills is around GTS1/S2, going by powerscaling. Would be a real push to say SS4.
Thank you so much for your input and time to write his..
Just so we on the same page on terms..what is "GT!Goku" mean and all of the '!" in the terms?
Hah, you just reminded me how Whis and piss actually rhymes. Which is fitting, since Whis is a piss poor character, and/or rather disappointing that he's currently the strongest in the DBZverse.
Bills at least had his own charm as a cat-like creature, but Whis was.. boring, and had an even weirder design.
Well, according to Goku's assessment in GT that base Rildo>Majin Buu, and the fact that Goku went on to stalemate Rildo in his base form, we know base-level GT Goku~SSJ3 Z Goku. This also means base-level GT Goku is at least 400x> base-level Z Goku(because in Z, a SSJ3 is 400x> base.)
When GT Goku went SSJ, his power increased "a hundred fold" according to Rildo. This means SSJ GT Goku was roughly 100x more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku.
Even if we assume the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers were the same in GT as they were in Z(they were probably much greater) then it puts SSJ2 GT Goku at 200x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and SSJ3 GT Goku at 800x> SSJ3 Z Goku.
If we then use the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of 10x a SSJ3, then it puts SSJ4 Goku at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and 3,200,000x> base-level Z Goku.
Now we must factor in Omega Shenron, as he effortlessly trounced SSJ4 Goku AND SSJ4 Vegeta at the same time. This is important because when SSJ4 Gogeta entered the fray, he treated Omega Shenron like he was a weak feeb.
ie. SSJ4 Gogeta>>>>>Omega Shenron>>>>SSJ4 Goku(8,000x>)SSJ3 Z Goku.
In a nutshell: SSJ4 Gogeta was, in all likelihood, tenS-of-thousandS-of-timeS more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku on paper.
Originally posted by Galan007
Well, according to Goku's assessment in GT that base Rildo>Majin Buu, and the fact that Goku went on to stalemate Rildo in his base form, we know base-level GT Goku~SSJ3 Z Goku. This also means base-level GT Goku is at least [b]400x> base-level Z Goku(because in Z, a SSJ3 is 400x> base.)When GT Goku went SSJ, his power increased "a hundred fold" according to Rildo. This means SSJ GT Goku was roughly 100x more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku.
Even if we assume the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers were the same in GT as they were in Z(they were probably much greater) then it puts SSJ2 GT Goku at 200x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and SSJ3 GT Goku at 800x> SSJ3 Z Goku.
If we then use the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of 10x a SSJ3, then it puts SSJ4 Goku at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and 3,200,000x> base-level Z Goku.
Now we must factor in Omega Shenron, as he effortlessly trounced SSJ4 Goku AND SSJ4 Vegeta at the same time. This is important because when SSJ4 Gogeta entered the fray, he treated Omega Shenron like he was a weak feeb.
ie. SSJ4 Gogeta>>>>>Omega Shenron>>>>SSJ4 Goku(8,000x>)SSJ3 Z Goku.In a nutshell: SSJ4 Gogeta was, in all likelihood, tenS-of-thousandS-of-timeS more powerful than SSJ3 Z Goku on paper. [/B]
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So GT S4Gogeta basically a god with his power level at that point
God Goku is a God with apparently limitless energy and we only saw him at 70-80%
Where would that put his power level at based on your calculations trying to match power lvl of SS4 Gogeta and SSGM Goku? Close in power levels?
On paper, I don't think SSJG Goku would have even been on par with SSJ4 Goku, who, as I explained, was logically around 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. Thusly, I do not believe SSJG Goku could have even remotely challenged SSJ4 Gogeta, who was, as a conservative estimate, around 32,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. I came up with the 32,000x figure, because I believe it is logical to assume Omega Shenron was no less than 2x> SSJ4 Goku, and SSJ4 Gogeta was no less than 2x> Omega Shenron.
8,000(the difference between SSJ4 Goku and SSJ3 Z Goku)*4(the presumed Gogeta multiplier)=32,000.
Originally posted by Galan007
On paper, I don't think SSJG Goku would have even been on par with SSJ4 Goku, who, as I explained, was logically around 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. Thusly, I do not believe SSJG Goku could have even remotely challenged SSJ4 Gogeta, who was, as a conservative estimate, around [b]32,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. I came up with the 32,000x figure, because I believe it is logical to assume Omega Shenron was no less than 2x> SSJ4 Goku, and SSJ4 Gogeta was no less than 2x> Omega Shenron.8,000(the difference between SSJ4 Goku and SSJ3 Z Goku)*4(the presumed Gogeta multiplier)=32,000. [/B]
Even with access to all the limitless energy he can pull?