SSGM Goku Sparring SS4 Gogeta

Originally posted by Galan007
Goku's power is not limitless if Bills can defeat him. In turn, Bills' energy is [also] not limitless if Whis can defeat him.

SSJG Goku was certainly powerful-- but not infinitely so. He had very clear/defined limitations.

Very true..However since he is True Blood Saijen and only gets stronger after every fight..seen clearly in Battle of Gods is he is able to match Bills power without being a God..this creates and evolutionary advantage. The more he fights the stronger he gets..

With access to the Gods Powers..he now can become however strong he needs to be..

Also in God Mode. Neither him not Bills can actually be hurt from what I saw..At the end Goku going back into God Mode nullified Bills most powerful attack and that is why Bills admitted defeat and told Goku he had been undone and lost..because he could not beat him. Anything at that point Goku could stop..that is why Bills said If Goku was stronger then him..he would not destroy the earth.

Wait...wasn't it stated that the androids had infinite energy (I know you see where I am going with this)?

Originally posted by Supra
Very true..However since he is True Blood Saijen and only gets stronger after every fight..seen clearly in Battle of Gods is he is able to match Bills power without being a God..this creates and evolutionary advantage. The more he fights the stronger he gets..

With access to the Gods Powers..he now can become however strong he needs to be..

Also in God Mode. Neither him not Bills can actually be hurt from what I saw..At the end Goku going back into God Mode nullified Bills most powerful attack and that is why Bills admitted defeat and told Goku he had been undone and lost..because he could not beat him. Anything at that point Goku could stop..that is why Bills said If Goku was stronger then him..he would not destroy the earth.

A being with limitless energy cannot be beaten, they cannot run out of energy, they do not have a maximum amount of energy they can utilize, etc. You can theorize all you'd like about Goku's potential, but until that potential is actually realized on screen, then it means absolutely nothing in regard to the debate at hand.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait...wasn't it stated that the androids had infinite energy (I know you see where I am going with this)?

...Although we know it wasn't really "infinite energy", which I'm sure is your point. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Goku collapsed from exhaustion after blocking Bills' attack, while Bills himself only used 70% of his power during that fight. Point is: neither of their powers are 'limitless/infinite'-- not even close. Like I said earlier, their limitations were clearly defined in the film.

A being with limitless energy cannot be beaten, they cannot run out of energy, they do not have a maximum amount of energy they can utilize, etc. You can theorize all you'd like about Goku's potential, but until that potential is actually realized on screen, then it means absolutely nothing in regard to the debate at hand.

#17 and #18 were powered by an "infinite energy reactor":

...Although we know it wasn't really "infinite energy", which I'm sure is your point. 👆

I understand! Ok well who do you think would win in the fight Gogeta or God Goku?

Originally posted by Supra
I understand! Ok well who do you think would win in the fight Gogeta or God Goku?

For me, I'd go with Goku.

Nothing from GT's really as impressive as pre BOTG canon.. Power scaling aside, on feats GT simply doesn't compared to Z. And BOTG is Toriyama canon, while GT isn't, so..

And if you believe that Bills can actually snuff galaxies, even holding his own with a guy like that at 70% max power puts him over the top.. (Especially since Goku himself was only going 80%, and lost his god powers before he got serious, resulting in less then 100% for the rest of the fight..)

Originally posted by Supra
I understand! Ok well who do you think would win in the fight Gogeta or God Goku?

He was so powerful that I just cannot see him losing to anyone in the DBZ mythos.

Originally posted by Galan007
Gogeta, imo.

He was so powerful that I just cannot see him losing to anyone in the DBZ mythos.

Ok so Fight goes down in Epic proportions...earth shattering concussions, ki blasts, Kahmehameha x20 more smashing more fist pumping pulling of tails and all round gauntlet

Or Gogeta touches God Goku like Bills Touched SS3 Goku and all the Z Warriors?

😆

^ My opinion...

SSJ4 Gogeta>>>>>Omega Shenron>>>SSJ4 Goku~/>SSJG Goku.

Or in even simpler terms: I believe Gogeta would trounce SSJG Goku much easier then he trounced Omega Shenron. Not saying SSJG Goku wasn't powerful--he definitely was--but the GT multipliers/PLs were so ridiculously...retardedly...laughably massive, that I just cannot see how Gogeta could possibly lose. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
...Although we know it wasn't really "infinite energy", which I'm sure is your point. 👆

👆 There are a few translations I've seen.

Here is another:
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"eternal energy furnace."

Convenient how there wasn't such a device placed into Cell for him to have infinite energy/stamina, or how he didn't seem to gain that ability of the Androids' after absorbing them.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ My opinion...

SSJ4 Gogeta>>>>>Omega Shenron>>>SSJ4 Goku~/>SSJG Goku.

Or in even simpler terms: I believe Gogeta would trounce SSJG Goku much easier then he trounced Omega Shenron. Not saying SSJG Goku wasn't powerful--he definitely was--but the GT multipliers/PLs were so ridiculously...retardedly...laughably massive, that I just cannot see how Gogeta could possibly lose. /shrug

So Gogeta4 wins with a touch of his hand..or the battle is on epic proportions with as a i stated in OP..one succeeds and the battle is over after they realize who really is stronger..remember its Goku vs Gogeta (Goku/Vegeta-mind, body in spirit in 1 warrior) vs Goku the man himself who never gives up..

This is no easy fight for anyone imo... its Goku vs Goku/Vegeta...

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Convenient how there wasn't such a device placed into Cell for him to have infinite energy/stamina, or how he didn't seem to gain that ability of the Androids' after absorbing them.

Just saying.

Well, the androids individual power level was a drop in the bucket compared to Perfect Cells.. And their power levels looked pretty static, giving infinite stamina at the tradeoff of being unable to get stronger.. Likely, 17 and 18 were the limit to how much power those generators could support.

Originally posted by Supra
So Gogeta4 wins with a touch of his hand..or the battle is on epic proportions with as a i stated in OP..one succeeds and the battle is over after they realize who really is stronger..remember its Goku vs Gogeta (Goku/Vegeta-mind, body in spirit in 1 warrior) vs Goku the man himself who never gives up..

This is no easy fight for anyone imo... its Goku vs Goku/Vegeta...

You don't think Vegeta's inferiority complex would drag Gogeta Goku's half down? 😛

Originally posted by cdtm
You don't think Vegeta's inferiority complex would drag Gogeta Goku's half down? 😛

Gogeta is a Perfect Combo of them both🙂

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, the androids individual power level was a drop in the bucket compared to Perfect Cells.. And their power levels looked pretty static, giving infinite stamina at the tradeoff of being unable to get stronger.. Likely, 17 and 18 were the limit to how much power those generators could support.

Originally posted by Galan007
Gero was capable of making much more powerful individual androids than #17/18(ie. #16), but the problem with any non-energy-absorbing type of android is that they cannot be controlled by Gero.

True.

But could he have controlled Cell?

Can we get back on topic?

How does the fight go down galan? World ending or a touch of Gogeta?

"So Gogeta4 wins with a touch of his hand..or the battle is on epic proportions with as a i stated in OP..one succeeds and the battle is over after they realize who really is stronger..remember its Goku vs Gogeta (Goku/Vegeta-mind, body in spirit in 1 warrior) vs Goku the man himself who never gives up..

This is no easy fight for anyone imo... its Goku vs Goku/Vegeta..."

Originally posted by cdtm
But could he have controlled Cell?

Originally posted by Supra
How does the fight go down galan? World ending or a touch of Gogeta?

...So yeah, pretty phucking easy.

Thank you! I am inclined to agree with you as you have made outstanding posts and your knowledge is very deep!

At first I thought there was no chance but you have swayed me!