Originally posted by Odekahn
I never said that was his endgame defense and strategy, I was just giving you a plausible solution to a given circumstance or attack. I could continue on with this, but the reason I included the "blah blah blah" (in the first post introducing this point) is because I wanted to demonstrate the type of arguing that has been used from the Ironman camp thus far in their claims that Batman wouldn't stand a chance.<3
-the "Batman finds a way" camp
Then what is Batman's "endgame"?
Originally posted by namorsubbyBy all means, show scans of any battlesuits of his that exceed any of Tony's normal armors, let alone the specialty and single-purpose armors that have engaged Trans-level characters (Thorbuster) and Abstract forces (Phoenix-Killer), and scans of his other tech that will conquer whatever Tony can throw at him. Here's a sample of the tech Tony can access:
Marvel fans act as if Bruce hasn't already designed advanced battle suits(and other tech) to conquer just about every situation that calls for them.lol
XXV. STARK INVENTIONS (cont'd)
STARK SUPER-WEAPONS
The weapons Stark designed were not just limited to conventional munitions. He also developed various super-weapons. A centrifugal force ray essentially acted as a gravity multiplier and amplified its target weight exponentially. From Tales of Suspense #91:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions15-CentrifugalForceRayTOS91.jpg
The cobalt ray was an energy weapon with rather undefined qualities. Before it could be implemented, the Grey Gargoyle stole it and threatened to turn it on Iron Man. Instead, he reversed it and it actually managed to reversethe Grey Gargoyle's stone-form. From Tales of Suspense #96:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions17-CobaltRayTOS96.jpg
Stark's cosmitronic cannon was "designed to absorb the cosmic rays always present in the atmosphere -- then project them in a cohesive energy beam capable of countless uses!" Here, a shot restores the Red Ghost's natural adhesion from a deteriorating intangible state. From Iron Man #83:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions20-CosmitronicCannonIM83.jpg
A hand-held sonic disruptor cannon cuts off the powers broadcasted by Thanos into the new Z.O.D.I.A.C. team. From Avengers Assemble #3:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions43-SonicDisruptorAvengersAssemble3.jpg
An electromagnetic pulse cannon fires exactly what you'd think it would fire. From Daredevil vol.3 #16:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions45-EMPCannonDDv316.jpg
During the Eighth Day, Stark invented the flux cannon that emitted a barrage of shifting frequency energy beams that could erode the Exemplars' impenetrable barrier. From Avengers vol.3 #25:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions23-FluxCannonAvengersv325.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions24-FluxCannon.jpg
During a transatlantic flight, Stark designed and built a harmonics disrupter cannon that would disrupt any naturally occurring energy form. From Avengers vol.3 #37:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions25-HarmonicDisruptorsAvengersv337.jpg
A nanotech disintegrator ray does exactly as billed. Here, it destroys nanotech inside Steve Rogers that was inhibiting his supersoldier serum. From Captain America vol.6 #10:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions44-NanotechDisintegratorCAv610.jpg
An improvised kinetic field generator built from junkyard scraps is powered by the same Nth generator technology that Sidewinder uses to teleport. From Iron Man Legacy #8:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions38-KineticFieldGeneratorLegacy8.jpg
Chemical crystal pellets transform torrents of flame into a solid block of ice. From Tales of Suspense #43:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions06-ChemicalCrystalPellets.jpg
Stark provided S.H.I.E.L.D. with z-gas fumes that were powerful enough to knock the Silver Surfer out. From Silver Surfer #17:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions18-Z-GasFumesSS17.jpg
Tech-foam throwers launch a special formula that solidifies on contact with the air and hardening with the strength of titanium steel. From Iron Man #235:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions22-TechFoamIM235.jpg
STARK WMDS
Several of Stark's super-weapons were classifiable as weapons of mass destruction. A rather mundanely-named weapon Stark created for the U.S. military was the anti-gravity device. A one-time fluke design, the device was powerful enough to levitate tanks, and tear entire factories from their foundations and was billed as being powerful enough to "move mountains." And it indeed was when Black Widow stole it and literally lifted a mountain. From Tales of Suspense #53 and retold in Marvel Fanfare #10:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions10-Anti-GravityDeviceTOS53.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions10-Anti-GravityDeviceTOS53.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions11-Anti-GravityDevice.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions12-Anti-GravityDevice.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions21-Anti-GravityDeviceMarvelFanfare10.jpg
The neutralizer ray was a precision cannon that would disintegrate hydrogen bombs. From Strange Tales #143:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions08-NeutralizerStrangeTales143.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions09-Neutralizer.jpg
During World War Hulk, Stark informed acting Director Dugan of his fallback plan to deal with the Hulk: the N-Zone doomsday transmitters. "When correctly placed around a location... in this case, Manhattan -- they'll open a dimensional portal... sending everything within their perimeter... to the distortion area of the Negative Zone. Were it's positive matter will collide with the Zone's antimatter... annihilating it instantly." From Iron Man vol.4 #20:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions32b-N-ZoneDoomsdayTransmittersIMv420.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions32c-N-ZoneDoomsdayTransmitters.jpg
One of Stark's more destructive WMDs was the event horizon device. "Essentially, the EVH is a five hundred kiloton gross wield nuclear device. It's blast wave is shielded by a fully programmable opposing gravitational field powered by the interior fission of the device. . . . generating a micro-black hole analog the size of one hundred protons. Everything -- all organic and inorganic matter within the blast zone -- is drawn into this black hole. . . . The analog disperses into a harmless burst of Hawkins radiation." From Iron Man vol.4 #26:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions33-EventHorizonDeviceIMv426.jpg
The heavy rain protocol was reverse-engineered from an alien weapon that used plasma energy beams, super-heated through the planet's energy field itself, to barrage a target from orbit. Here, it completely slags Ultimo. From Iron Man: Titanium #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions39-HeavyRainProtocolIMTitanium1.jpg
The dark matter accelerator was never meant to be built, but Stark designed it nonetheless and Kang stole it through time-travel. It was powerful enough to turn the Avengers and the entire city of Manhattan inside out. From Avengers vol.4 #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions41-DarkMatterAcceleratorAvengersv41.jpg
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then what is Batman's "endgame"?
It would depend upon the circumstances. Under these circumstances, I'd say a good plan would be to "find a way" (depending on the conditions in which said fictional comic would take place) to separate Tony from his tech. Once that happens, Bruce has the advantage.
Again, a prep fight is more than just a science contest.
Originally posted by Odekahn
It would depend upon the circumstances. Under these circumstances, I'd say a good plan would be to "find a way" (depending on the conditions in which said fictional comic would take place) to separate Tony from his tech. Once that happens, Bruce has the advantage.Again, a prep fight is more than just a science contest.
How is Batman going to separate a prepped Tony from his tech?
Originally posted by Silent Master
How is Batman going to separate a prepped Tony from his tech?
How about you tell me what defenses Tony has in-place up first, and then I can tell you how Batman might get around it...
It's not like Batman would be sending Tony a telegram of how he plans on attacking him. (Which is what I would essentially be doing here)
Originally posted by Odekahn
How about you tell me what defenses Tony has in-place up first, and then I can tell you how Batman might get around it...It's not like Batman would be sending Tony a telegram of how he plans on attacking him. (Which is what I would essentially be doing here)
How about you actually back up your argument.
Originally posted by Silent Master
How about you actually back up your argument.
You're asking me to show you my poker hand. I tell you HOW Batman separates Tony from his tech, and you turn around and said "Oh! Well Tony would have thought about that already"
So, in your opinion, what all types of defenses do you think Tony would set in place?
Originally posted by Firefly218
You are constantly asking for bats prep and attack/defense options, why dont you mention what Iron Mans attack/defense options are.
Examples of Tony's armor and tech have already been posted, so far nothing has been posted for the Batman side other that "he'll find a way".
