Originally posted by Blair Wind
😕 Debates don't work that way.
Yet that's exactly how that would have played out. I was just trying to show him why that is an unfair question in this particular instance (AT THIS POINT IN THE DISCUSSION). The question would be more fair after he answered, but granted, still unfair.
Originally posted by ODG
No, you haven't. But since you're so sure of yourself, go ahead and name examples from actual comics of Batman's weapons which are supposed to be countering the Thorbuster armor, the Phoenix-Killer armor, the N-zone transmitters, the orbital firing protocols, the black hole generators, or the dark matter accelerators.
Batman hasn't fought Ironman before, so asking for on panel proof where Batman implements such tactics (aka directed at Tony) doesn't exist.
However, Batman could use any combination of Nth Metal, Nano technology, EMP attacks, frequency jammers, traps, decoys, etc etc etc.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, I can totally see why asking you to back up your argument is unfair.
You said this:
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm just not seeing what Batman can do to take out a prepped Iron-man before getting taken out himself.
You are so confident that there isn't anything Batman can do, yet you don't want to tell me what defense you believe Stark would have up before I tell you how Batman could overcome him, lol.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, you still haven't backed up your claim.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Batman could use any combination of Nth Metal, Nano technology, EMP attacks, frequency jammers, traps, decoys, etc etc etc.
Phantom zone technology, anti matter exploitation, AI, Battle Drones (like in Kingdom Come), gasses etc etc etc
How is batman going to beat Ironman, simple he uses the Insider Suit which has the powers of all the Jla. The suit however does not have a stable power source; after an attack, say superman's heat vision, the suit will have to recharge this specific attack before it can be used again. This does not mean batman is going to be defenseless he can switch to diffrent power and keep fighting. But in this fight, this is what is going to give batman the win because Ironman will be the power source with all his different type of energy based weapons.
And yes the suit can recharge its capacitors through any outside source because in the outsiders batman used Major Force energy base attack to recharge the suit. This is how he was able to get away from Major Force. After Major Force inadvertently recharged the suit batman used the green lantern mode to knock out Major Force before teleporting away.
In a prep war, with this two batman takes a not so easy majority.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
How is batman going to beat Ironman, simple he uses the Insider Suit which has the powers of all the Jla. The suit however does not have a stable power source; after an attack, say superman's heat vision, the suit will have to recharge this specific attack before it can be used again. This does not mean batman is going to be defenseless he can switch to diffrent power and keep fighting. But in this fight, this is what is going to give batman the win because Ironman will be the power source with all his different type of energy based weapons.And yes the suit can recharge its capacitors through any outside source because in the outsiders batman used Major Force energy base attack to recharge the suit. This is how he was able to get away from Major Force. After Major Force inadvertently recharged the suit batman used the green lantern mode to knock out Major Force before teleporting away.
In a prep war, with this two batman takes a not so easy majority.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Marvel fans act as if Bruce hasn't already designed advanced battle suits(and other tech) to conquer just about every situation that calls for them.lol
It has less to do with fanboyism and more to do with logic. Tony isn't stupid, he's a genius, and not too bad of a tactician being a former leader of the Avengers, and he was quite successful as their leader as well. Tony has all of the physical advantages in this match, and Batman only has one week. How much can he possibly do in one week, while Tony also has one week to prep? Batman would need to make up a huge gap, and then exceed Tony. Sorry but what are you saying about Marvel fans? It's more like the DC fans are the ones being unreasonable here. Odekahn skips from one thing to the next. It would take Bruce a week alone to find a way to mess up Tony'y on board targeting system, and that's if he is able to. Then he goes to another scenario where Bruce can build a suit as impressive as Tony's in a week, when it's taken Tony years of research to get as far as he has. And all along let's not forget that Bruce only has a week.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Phantom zone technology, anti matter exploitation, AI, Battle Drones (like in Kingdom Come), gasses etc etc etc
I like that you started off with tech that doesn't even belong to Batman, if that's the game you want to play that this turns into a stomp when I start listing tech from Reed, Banner, Pym etc etc.
Originally posted by Stoic
It has less to do with fanboyism and more to do with logic. Tony isn't stupid, he's a genius, and not too bad of a tactician being a former leader of the Avengers, and he was quite successful as their leader as well. Tony has all of the physical advantages in this match, and Batman only has one week. How much can he possibly do in one week, while Tony also has one week to prep? Batman would need to make up a huge gap, and then exceed Tony. Sorry but what are you saying about Marvel fans? It's more like the DC fans are the ones being unreasonable here. Odekahn skips from one thing to the next. It would take Bruce a week alone to find a way to mess up Tony'y on board targeting system, and that's if he is able to. Then he goes to another scenario where Bruce can build a suit as impressive as Tony's in a week, when it's taken Tony years of research to get as far as he has. And all along let's not forget that Bruce only has a week.
So let me make sure I'm getting this correct...
In a world full of super powered people, a billionaire who also happens to be a genius in every regard of the world (who has mastered damn near everything combat and strategy related) is incapable of "finding a way" to build anything he wants within a week?
He could borrow Hal's ring and Will light constructs to work for him at a speed as fast as he can think. (He's very familiar with Hal's ring)
^and that's just one way
Originally posted by Odekahn
So let me make sure I'm getting this correct...In a world full of super powered people, a billionaire who also happens to be a genius in every regard of the world (who has mastered damn near everything combat and strategy related) is incapable of "finding a way" to build anything he wants within a week?
He could borrow Hal's ring and Will light constructs to work for him at a speed as fast as he can think. (He's very familiar with Hal's ring)
^and that's just one way
Borrowing tech/weapons from other people is considered outside help and isn't allowed in prep matches unless the OP specifically says so in the opening post.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I like that you started off with tech that doesn't even belong to Batman, if that's the game you want to play that this turns into a stomp when I start listing tech from Reed, Banner, Pym etc etc.
Except THIS is where Tony's ego will come into play. Even going "all out" Tony still has an ego. He's not going to "borrow tech". Batman would.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Except THIS is where Tony's ego will come into play. Even going "all out" Tony still has an ego. He's not going to borrow tech. Batman would.
Except that Tony has borrowed tech before, so your argument fails. Not that it matters as the OP didn't specify that borrowing tech was allowed, thus neither side can do it.
Originally posted by Odekahn
So let me make sure I'm getting this correct...In a world full of super powered people, a billionaire who also happens to be a genius in every regard of the world (who has mastered damn near everything combat and strategy related) is incapable of "finding a way" to build anything he wants within a week?
He could borrow Hal's ring and Will light constructs to work for him at a speed as fast as he can think. (He's very familiar with Hal's ring)
^and that's just one way
Should we get a Mod in here to define the parameters of this debate? Do you really want to go that far? Tony has access to many toys outside of his armory as well, like an ultimate nullifier. Should we really go this route? Perhaps a Mod should step in to define this, because I can see this being closed due to your inability to concede. Yes you know one week does not give him enough time to do all of the crap that you are speaking of. This is Bruce not Kal El who moves about at super speed.
Originally posted by Stoic
Should we get a Mod in here to define the parameters of this debate? Do you really want to go that far? Tony has access to many toys outside of his armory as well, like an ultimate nullifier. Should we really go this route? Perhaps a Mod should step in to define this, because I can see this being closed due to your inability to concede. Yes you know one week does not give him enough time to do all of the crap that you are speaking of. This is Bruce not Kal El who moves about at super speed.
A mod already has, not that the batside paid any attention
Originally posted by -Pr-
In general, outside help isn't allowed in prep; it just becomes murky when someone is part of a team and lives within a central hub.In general though, no, outside help is generally not something that's allowed, and would be "off" by default.