Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok, that's fair.Would you consider equipment from the watchtower "borrowing"
Would you consider equipment buried in the deepest parts of SHIELD borrowing? This is about the resources that they have on hand, not about bringing every person in their respective universe into it. You need to read the forums rules of engagement.
Originally posted by Silent Master
not that the batside paid any attention
I did, I just went on a thought path of different ways he could get so much done within a week and trailed a bit too far. That was my bad.
I wasn't thinking just about Batman, but the world he was in, and the situation he's in, and how intelligent he is, and what he COULD realistically get access to with ease.
Originally posted by Odekahn
No shit, thus the reason I just said I was wrong for doing so, lol. 👆The trail started when people asked me how Batman could "find a way" to do these things.
So basically, you couldn't think of a way for Batman to win that was within the rules, so you ignored them and brought up other people's tech and stuff from Elseworld comics.
I'm glad that you agree that following board rules, Iron-man wins.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So basically, you couldn't think of a way for Batman to win that was within the rules, so you ignored them and brought up other people's tech and stuff from Elseworld comics.I'm glad that you agree that following board rules, Iron-man wins.
No.
I stated how Batman could easily gain access to a tool to use while prepping so that he could build more within the timespan allotted.
Batman still wins via any number of other tactics I've already mentioned.
Originally posted by Odekahn
No.I stated how Batman could easily gain access to a tool to use while prepping so that he could build more within the timespan allotted.
Batman still wins via any number of other tactics I've already mentioned.
Those tools belong to other people, which means there use would qualify as outside help and that isn't allowed.
Did you not read the mod's post?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Those tools belong to other people, which means there use would qualify as outside help and that isn't allowed.Did you not read the mod's post?
I'm not still arguing the issue. I was just explaining what I was thinking when typing the earlier posts. I already said, in regards to using nonstandard equipment while prepping, that I was in error.
And it doesn't change that Batman is still capable of winning this.
Originally posted by Odekahn
That's why you have sensor destabilizers so you are hidden from targeting systems."Nuh uh!"
"Uh huh!"
Ugh so much wrong in that arguament
You said:
Originally posted by Odekahn
It would be like me arguing that Batman is too acrobatic for Ironman to shoot. How many shots has Batman dodged? He's dodged the omega effect, shots from master shooters like deadshot and Slade. Blah Blah Blah
To which I replied with:
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
A Apart from the OB how many of those
have auto regulated targeting
A smart targeting system that can predict
where his next move will be
So he's going to be jumping around and doing acrobatics, and Tony is gonna be doing what... Looking in the other direction and picking his nose. Don't be silly
To Be Continued..
Originally posted by namorsubby
Marvel fans act as if Bruce hasn't already designed advanced battle suits(and other tech) to conquer just about every situation that calls for them.lol
And DC fans acting like Tony isn't a genius who surrounds himself with genii all speaking genii talk... On his down time, meaning he always has to keep sharp, whereas with Batman the next smartest member is an alien who's own tech is fields ahead of Batmans and a sports scholarship prototype cyborg and they don't even talk science they just go around hitting things
TL; DR
IM has to keep himself ahead so he is
Batman not so much
TBC...
C*nt ... Sorry... Cont...
Originally posted by Odekahn
I guess that would depend on what you call Deadshot's eye?And if you want proof of how impressive it is to dodge shots from these guys we could always go to those character's shooting feats? And Darksed's OE targeting feats?
^rhetorical. Let's don't and say we did. Lol
That's why I said apart from the OB and Deadshot's eye doesn't shoot missiles with an onboard computer that change the direction of the missile with nothing more than an electronic command
Originally posted by Odekahn
Not disabling or controlling Tony's physical tech, simply NEGATING (or hiding from) its searching effects.
And pray tell me how he's gonna do that?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Assuming Batman manages to build something that can block Tony's sensors(even though he doesn't know what type Tony's uses) Tony can just aim manually, so it doesn't really help Batman all that much, plus it gives Tony all the more of a lead in increasing his offensive and defensive systems.Tony should win a nice majority.
This^
Originally posted by Odekahn
Originally posted by Silent Master...Tony can just aim manually, so it
doesn't really help Batman all that
much...quote: (post )
Originally posted by OdekahnBatman is too acrobatic for Ironman
to shoot. How many shots has Batman
dodged? He's dodged the omega
effect, shots from master shooters
like deadshot and Slade. Blah Blah
Blah
See my prior arguament
Originally posted by Silent Master
Great, if Batman is able to jump around that much it means he's not in any kind of armored suit or carrying any heavy weapons; so Iron-man would be in no danger and can take his time and tire Batman out.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So now you're argument is that Batman will just jump around in an effort to lure Iron-man into underestimating him? Ok, so what does Bruce do once Tony starts laughing at the guy that didn't bring any weapons capable of beating him?
Originally posted by ODG
By all means, show scans of any battlesuits of his that exceed any of Tony's normal armors, let alone the specialty and single-purpose armors that have engaged Trans-level characters (Thorbuster) and Abstract forces (Phoenix-Killer), and scans of his other tech that will conquer whatever Tony can throw at him. Here's a sample of the tech Tony can access:[b]XXV. STARK INVENTIONS (cont'd)
STARK SUPER-WEAPONS
The weapons Stark designed were not just limited to conventional munitions. He also developed various super-weapons. A centrifugal force ray essentially acted as a gravity multiplier and amplified its target weight exponentially. From Tales of Suspense #91:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions15-CentrifugalForceRayTOS91.jpgThe cobalt ray was an energy weapon with rather undefined qualities. Before it could be implemented, the Grey Gargoyle stole it and threatened to turn it on Iron Man. Instead, he reversed it and it actually managed to reversethe Grey Gargoyle's stone-form. From Tales of Suspense #96:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions17-CobaltRayTOS96.jpgStark's cosmitronic cannon was "designed to absorb the cosmic rays always present in the atmosphere -- then project them in a cohesive energy beam capable of countless uses!" Here, a shot restores the Red Ghost's natural adhesion from a deteriorating intangible state. From Iron Man #83:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions20-CosmitronicCannonIM83.jpgA hand-held sonic disruptor cannon cuts off the powers broadcasted by Thanos into the new Z.O.D.I.A.C. team. From Avengers Assemble #3:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions43-SonicDisruptorAvengersAssemble3.jpgAn electromagnetic pulse cannon fires exactly what you'd think it would fire. From Daredevil vol.3 #16:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions45-EMPCannonDDv316.jpgDuring the Eighth Day, Stark invented the flux cannon that emitted a barrage of shifting frequency energy beams that could erode the Exemplars' impenetrable barrier. From Avengers vol.3 #25:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions23-FluxCannonAvengersv325.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions24-FluxCannon.jpgDuring a transatlantic flight, Stark designed and built a harmonics disrupter cannon that would disrupt any naturally occurring energy form. From Avengers vol.3 #37:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions25-HarmonicDisruptorsAvengersv337.jpgA nanotech disintegrator ray does exactly as billed. Here, it destroys nanotech inside Steve Rogers that was inhibiting his supersoldier serum. From Captain America vol.6 #10:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions44-NanotechDisintegratorCAv610.jpgAn improvised kinetic field generator built from junkyard scraps is powered by the same Nth generator technology that Sidewinder uses to teleport. From Iron Man Legacy #8:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions38-KineticFieldGeneratorLegacy8.jpgChemical crystal pellets transform torrents of flame into a solid block of ice. From Tales of Suspense #43:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions06-ChemicalCrystalPellets.jpgStark provided S.H.I.E.L.D. with z-gas fumes that were powerful enough to knock the Silver Surfer out. From Silver Surfer #17:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions18-Z-GasFumesSS17.jpgTech-foam throwers launch a special formula that solidifies on contact with the air and hardening with the strength of titanium steel. From Iron Man #235:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions22-TechFoamIM235.jpgSTARK WMDS
Several of Stark's super-weapons were classifiable as weapons of mass destruction. A rather mundanely-named weapon Stark created for the U.S. military was the anti-gravity device. A one-time fluke design, the device was powerful enough to levitate tanks, and tear entire factories from their foundations and was billed as being powerful enough to "move mountains." And it indeed was when Black Widow stole it and literally lifted a mountain. From Tales of Suspense #53 and retold in Marvel Fanfare #10:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions10-Anti-GravityDeviceTOS53.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions10-Anti-GravityDeviceTOS53.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions11-Anti-GravityDevice.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions12-Anti-GravityDevice.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions21-Anti-GravityDeviceMarvelFanfare10.jpgThe neutralizer ray was a precision cannon that would disintegrate hydrogen bombs. From Strange Tales #143:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions08-NeutralizerStrangeTales143.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions09-Neutralizer.jpgDuring World War Hulk, Stark informed acting Director Dugan of his fallback plan to deal with the Hulk: the N-Zone doomsday transmitters. "When correctly placed around a location... in this case, Manhattan -- they'll open a dimensional portal... sending everything within their perimeter... to the distortion area of the Negative Zone. Were it's positive matter will collide with the Zone's antimatter... annihilating it instantly." From Iron Man vol.4 #20:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions32b-N-ZoneDoomsdayTransmittersIMv420.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions32c-N-ZoneDoomsdayTransmitters.jpgOne of Stark's more destructive WMDs was the event horizon device. "Essentially, the EVH is a five hundred kiloton gross wield nuclear device. It's blast wave is shielded by a fully programmable opposing gravitational field powered by the interior fission of the device. . . . generating a micro-black hole analog the size of one hundred protons. Everything -- all organic and inorganic matter within the blast zone -- is drawn into this black hole. . . . The analog disperses into a harmless burst of Hawkins radiation." From Iron Man vol.4 #26:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions33-EventHorizonDeviceIMv426.jpgThe heavy rain protocol was reverse-engineered from an alien weapon that used plasma energy beams, super-heated through the planet's energy field itself, to barrage a target from orbit. Here, it completely slags Ultimo. From Iron Man: Titanium #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions39-HeavyRainProtocolIMTitanium1.jpgThe dark matter accelerator was never meant to be built, but Stark designed it nonetheless and Kang stole it through time-travel. It was powerful enough to turn the Avengers and the entire city of Manhattan inside out. From Avengers vol.4 #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions41-DarkMatterAcceleratorAvengersv41.jpg [/B]
This this a thousand times this.
I have never wanted to jump through my phone and hug a man more then I want to now... No homo
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
He can just Voltron all his existing technologies into one and be able to completely obliterate Batman. If he fires in hard and fast then there will new nothing left off Batman but a smear off metal and goo.Also with Batman building his own suit remember the reason IM got the extremis was cos his reaction/movement time was to slow, so I would imagine that Batman would have the same problem + he doesn't have an AI to help monitor and regulate all non essential systems
Cont...
Originally posted by Naija boy
You are being willfully ignorant if you don't think there is a resources gap. Bruce being a billionaire does not mean that he can match the technological prowess of resources or Marvels premiere genius engineer who just happens to specialize in weaponry and to have been developing specialized technology far in excess of anything Bruce possesses for decades. It's absurd. All you have is hopeful strategies of batman borrowing weaponry and equipment from his allies. Even with that he won't be matching Tony....not even closeYou are trying to downplay Tonys majorly relevant advantages which are of immense significance here on the basis of the extremely whimsical and flimsy "batman will find a way to separate him from his tech" reasoning. This reasoning presupposes that Tony whose core advantage is technology, will not go to extreme lengths to guard against such a tactic or... is just plain retarded. Trying to negate Tony's advantages with such inchoate logic while then trying to highlight batmans h2h advantage exposes the shallowness of your position.
Your argument equates to Batman finds a way. What is more likely based of off any reasonable and non wishful assessment of the situation however is that Tony finds a way.....or a bunch of ways...to destroy him.
Preach Brother
Originally posted by Firefly218
I am referring to arguments made strictly in the context of this batman/iron man debate - ie. what attack/defense strategies can Tony use against batman.If you're trying to sound like a smart ass atleast know what the f*** ur saying
so you are under the impression that he couldnt combine all of HIS own tech and thus conclude with the assrape that is that is gonna happen to Batman if he gets the uppity idea to take on Stark
Originally posted by Odekahn
The weapons are merely tools. The tactic is how it all comes together. I've already stated several different weapons Batman could attack Tony's tech. I could post more, my ideas are damn near limitless and Batman is a hell of a lot smarter than I am. Why is "he'll figure out a way" such a stretch? His resume is far more impressive than Tony's in the field of strategy (also known as tactics).
the the array of power that these weapons are showing he doesnt need a strategy, all he needs to do is point and click. Literally at the beginning of the fight just Point. And. Click.
Simples
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you can't back up your claim; that is all you needed to say.
he built the original armour in 6 days in the jungle. im sure he can do better in the same amount off time in the middle of his technological base.
Hell look at Warmachine armour and imagine that tailored to beat Thor or Hulk
War Machine Armor[edit]
First Appearance: Iron Man #284 (September 1992)
The original Variable Threat Response Battle Suit Mark I was a version of the Iron Man armor utilizing laser guided munitions. Stark gave Rhodes a modified version of the armor, Mark II Model JRXL-1000, created just for him with the inclusion of repulsors and a unibeam projector. The armor could be modified with various modular weapons and has an improved tactical computer system with automatic targeting. Additional weapons included pulse bolt generators, retractable shoulder minigun, variable-configured double-barrel cannons on each gauntlet, gauntlet mounted flamethrower, plasma blade on the left gauntlet, missile box launcher, micro-rocket launcher, particle beam discharger, and an electromagnetic pulse generator in the unibeam projector that could shut down any electronic device in a 50-mile radius. The armor also included a photon emitter that created a force shield, forcefield-based stealth technology, boot-jet propulsion, and a self-contained breathing system.
The second version of the armor, reconfigured by Stark, contained upgraded improvements such as heat seeking missile launchers, pulse cannon, and retractable weapon pods located on its back. Rhodes utilized different types of specialty ammunition as well as non-lethal weapons such as rubber bullets. Though Rhodes lost the original armor, he still possessed a functional prototype helmet and gauntlet.War Machine Armor V[edit]
First Appearance: Secret Avengers #1 (May 2010)
Used during issues of Secret Avengers and appearances in other comic series, this upgraded incarnation of the Variable Threat Response Battle Suit has a similar design to the movie version of the War Machine armor with armaments similar to previous incarnations such as a retractable shoulder minigun, repulsor technology, and shoulder missile launcher. The armor was destroyed by a nuclear attack in the first arc of the series Iron Man 2.0.Iron Man 2.0" War Machine Armor[edit]
First Appearance: Iron Man 2.0 #3 (April 2011)
Created in the series Iron Man 2.0 by Tony Stark, this War Machine armor is a complete redesign after the destruction of the previous model. Designed by Iron Man 2.0 artist Barry Kitson, the armor emphasizes stealth, recon, infiltration, and combat readiness.[75] Unlike its predecessors, it is a slimmed down armor with no visible external weaponry such as shoulder miniguns or missile launchers. The armor's color scheme is gunmetal with black detailing and has two lines on the helmet's left eye area that glows according to the repulsor reactor's color. The armor utilizes upgraded technology such as an updated Chameleon Mode (previously a feature of the "Silver Centurion" Iron Man armor) for optical invisibility, holographic projection, and camouflage purposes. The armor also possesses Ghost technology to phase through solid objects, scanner invisibility to become undetectable to all targeting systems, and a Combat Mode that can deploy weaponry which is normally hidden and increase the size and bulk of the armor. But the armor has limitations such as strain of the armor's repulsor reactor, disorientation from the Chameleon Mode, and the inability to be both invisible and intangible at the same time due to a compatibility issue.Iron Patriot Armor[edit]
First Appearance: Gambit (Vol. 3) #13 (May 2013)
Patterned after Norman Osborn's Iron Patriot armor, the new suit is stated to be a prototype model by Rhodes. In addition to shoulder-mounted machine guns, the armor possesses whip-like electroshock weapons that can incapacitate targets. The armor has also demonstrated camouflage and stealth abilities similar to those of the Iron Man 2.0 model.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The whole debate is farcical. Odekhan and his ilk have no way of addressing the resources or technological gap and so would instead like to fantasize about fantastical strategies that Batman could come up with...it wouldn't matter who batman was then facing as they could always think of some story or "strategy" which batman could use to win as long as he has "prep". It's a strategy that avoids having to do any real debating about the characters relative strengths.
Preach Brother
