Contrary to popular belief on this forum, a prepped iron man is not an invincible iron man. The iron man suit will have weaknesses regardless on Tony's prep, and batman can exploit those weaknesses in his prep.
On the other hand, how can Tony prepare specifically for Batman when he doesnt know as much about him?
Originally posted by Firefly218
Contrary to popular belief on this forum, a prepped iron man is not an invincible iron man. The iron man suit will have weaknesses regardless on Tony's prep, and batman can exploit those weaknesses in his prep.On the other hand, how can Tony prepare specifically for Batman when he doesnt know as much about him?
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Originally posted by Firefly218
Contrary to popular belief on this forum, a prepped iron man is not an invincible iron man. The iron man suit will have weaknesses regardless on Tony's prep, and batman can exploit those weaknesses in his prep.On the other hand, how can Tony prepare specifically for Batman when he doesnt know as much about him?
Nobody has said a prepped Iron-man is invincible, now do you have a real argument to make?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Batman would be prepped and no harm would be done, except to all the poor civilians.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I didn't find any similar threads in search
If each character gets one week preparation...Who would win ina fight, no holding back
An all out no holding back IM was welling to destroy the eastern seaboard, so I'm sure all the WMD's that he's packing will sort off negate the effects off rather after a few kilometers radius
Originally posted by ODG
By all means, show scans of any battlesuits of his that exceed any of Tony's normal armors, let alone the specialty and single-purpose armors that have engaged Trans-level characters (Thorbuster) and Abstract forces (Phoenix-Killer), and scans of his other tech that will conquer whatever Tony can throw at him. Here's a sample of the tech Tony can access:[b]XXV. STARK INVENTIONS (cont'd)
STARK SUPER-WEAPONS
The weapons Stark designed were not just limited to conventional munitions. He also developed various super-weapons. A centrifugal force ray essentially acted as a gravity multiplier and amplified its target weight exponentially. From Tales of Suspense #91:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions15-CentrifugalForceRayTOS91.jpgThe cobalt ray was an energy weapon with rather undefined qualities. Before it could be implemented, the Grey Gargoyle stole it and threatened to turn it on Iron Man. Instead, he reversed it and it actually managed to reversethe Grey Gargoyle's stone-form. From Tales of Suspense #96:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions17-CobaltRayTOS96.jpgStark's cosmitronic cannon was "designed to absorb the cosmic rays always present in the atmosphere -- then project them in a cohesive energy beam capable of countless uses!" Here, a shot restores the Red Ghost's natural adhesion from a deteriorating intangible state. From Iron Man #83:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions20-CosmitronicCannonIM83.jpgA hand-held sonic disruptor cannon cuts off the powers broadcasted by Thanos into the new Z.O.D.I.A.C. team. From Avengers Assemble #3:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions43-SonicDisruptorAvengersAssemble3.jpgAn electromagnetic pulse cannon fires exactly what you'd think it would fire. From Daredevil vol.3 #16:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions45-EMPCannonDDv316.jpgDuring the Eighth Day, Stark invented the flux cannon that emitted a barrage of shifting frequency energy beams that could erode the Exemplars' impenetrable barrier. From Avengers vol.3 #25:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions23-FluxCannonAvengersv325.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions24-FluxCannon.jpgDuring a transatlantic flight, Stark designed and built a harmonics disrupter cannon that would disrupt any naturally occurring energy form. From Avengers vol.3 #37:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions25-HarmonicDisruptorsAvengersv337.jpgA nanotech disintegrator ray does exactly as billed. Here, it destroys nanotech inside Steve Rogers that was inhibiting his supersoldier serum. From Captain America vol.6 #10:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions44-NanotechDisintegratorCAv610.jpgAn improvised kinetic field generator built from junkyard scraps is powered by the same Nth generator technology that Sidewinder uses to teleport. From Iron Man Legacy #8:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions38-KineticFieldGeneratorLegacy8.jpgChemical crystal pellets transform torrents of flame into a solid block of ice. From Tales of Suspense #43:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions06-ChemicalCrystalPellets.jpgStark provided S.H.I.E.L.D. with z-gas fumes that were powerful enough to knock the Silver Surfer out. From Silver Surfer #17:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions18-Z-GasFumesSS17.jpgTech-foam throwers launch a special formula that solidifies on contact with the air and hardening with the strength of titanium steel. From Iron Man #235:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions22-TechFoamIM235.jpgSTARK WMDS
Several of Stark's super-weapons were classifiable as weapons of mass destruction. A rather mundanely-named weapon Stark created for the U.S. military was the anti-gravity device. A one-time fluke design, the device was powerful enough to levitate tanks, and tear entire factories from their foundations and was billed as being powerful enough to "move mountains." And it indeed was when Black Widow stole it and literally lifted a mountain. From Tales of Suspense #53 and retold in Marvel Fanfare #10:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions10-Anti-GravityDeviceTOS53.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions10-Anti-GravityDeviceTOS53.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions11-Anti-GravityDevice.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions12-Anti-GravityDevice.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions21-Anti-GravityDeviceMarvelFanfare10.jpgThe neutralizer ray was a precision cannon that would disintegrate hydrogen bombs. From Strange Tales #143:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions08-NeutralizerStrangeTales143.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions09-Neutralizer.jpgDuring World War Hulk, Stark informed acting Director Dugan of his fallback plan to deal with the Hulk: the N-Zone doomsday transmitters. "When correctly placed around a location... in this case, Manhattan -- they'll open a dimensional portal... sending everything within their perimeter... to the distortion area of the Negative Zone. Were it's positive matter will collide with the Zone's antimatter... annihilating it instantly." From Iron Man vol.4 #20:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions32b-N-ZoneDoomsdayTransmittersIMv420.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions32c-N-ZoneDoomsdayTransmitters.jpgOne of Stark's more destructive WMDs was the event horizon device. "Essentially, the EVH is a five hundred kiloton gross wield nuclear device. It's blast wave is shielded by a fully programmable opposing gravitational field powered by the interior fission of the device. . . . generating a micro-black hole analog the size of one hundred protons. Everything -- all organic and inorganic matter within the blast zone -- is drawn into this black hole. . . . The analog disperses into a harmless burst of Hawkins radiation." From Iron Man vol.4 #26:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions33-EventHorizonDeviceIMv426.jpgThe heavy rain protocol was reverse-engineered from an alien weapon that used plasma energy beams, super-heated through the planet's energy field itself, to barrage a target from orbit. Here, it completely slags Ultimo. From Iron Man: Titanium #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions39-HeavyRainProtocolIMTitanium1.jpgThe dark matter accelerator was never meant to be built, but Stark designed it nonetheless and Kang stole it through time-travel. It was powerful enough to turn the Avengers and the entire city of Manhattan inside out. From Avengers vol.4 #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Stark%20Stats/StarkMunitions41-DarkMatterAcceleratorAvengersv41.jpg [/B]
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Ugh so much wrong in that arguamentYou said:
To which I replied with:
So he's going to be jumping around and doing acrobatics, and Tony is gonna be doing what... Looking in the other direction and picking his nose. Don't be silly
To Be Continued..
Do I really have to help you though this entire thing? Batman gases and smoke bombs and decoys and a number of things to conceal him.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
C*nt ... Sorry... Cont...
Umm... Dur-dur??
That's why I said apart from the OB and Deadshot's eye doesn't shoot missiles with an onboard computer that change the direction of the missile with nothing more than an electronic command
So what? It's still an advanced targeting system. And Deadshot is better at manual targeting anyways. And thus why I said this:
Originally posted by Odekahn
That's why you have sensor destabilizers so you are hidden from targeting systems."Nuh uh!"
"Uh huh!"
See my prior arguament
Argument***
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
the the array of power that these weapons are showing he doesnt need a strategy, all he needs to do is point and click. Literally at the beginning of the fight just Point. And. Click.
Simples
And this was the point all along... With Tony's ego, he's likely to believe the same thing, to his detriment.
You do know that "going all out" means the characters are fighting with everything they have, so your little argument that Tony is going to go easy on Bruce because he underestimates him is going against the rules stated by the OP.
Why are you having so much trouble coming up with a argument that doesn't break the rules of the board/thread?"
Originally posted by Firefly218
OP doesnt say "going all out", it says "no holding back"different statements
By all means, tell us what the difference is.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Good point.
No, it really isn't, because no holding back means that the person is giving it everything they have, which means Iron-man won't be going easy on Bruce because he underestimated him.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You do know that "going all out" means the characters are fighting with everything they have, so your little argument that Tony is going to go easy on Bruce because he underestimates him is going against the rules stated by the OP.Why are you having so much trouble coming up with a argument that doesn't break the rules of the board/thread?"
Not saying he's going to "go easy" on him, just saying that Tony still has a massive ego (which is true even in end of the world situations). Not holding back =/= CiS off.
The IM side can't get past Batman being a better strategist.
It's like arguing that American Revolutionary forces' gorilla warfare tactics wouldn't have worked on the English because they had cannons, lol.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You do know that "going all out" means the characters are fighting with everything they have, so your little argument that Tony is going to go easy on Bruce because he underestimates him is going against the rules stated by the OP.Why are you having so much trouble coming up with a argument that doesn't break the rules of the board/thread?"
Not saying he's going to "go easy" on him, just saying that Tony still has a massive ego (even in end of the world situations). Not holding back =/= CiS off.
The IM side can't get past Batman being a better strategist.
It's like arguing that American Revolutionary forces' gorilla warfare tactics wouldn't have worked on the English because they had cannons, lol.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Not saying he's going to "go easy" on him, just saying that Tony still has a massive ego (even in end of the world situations). Not holding back =/= CiS off.The IM side can't get past Batman being a better strategist.
It's like arguing that American Revolutionary forces' gorilla warfare tactics wouldn't have worked on the English because they had cannons, lol.
Exactly how do to think Tony is going to underestimate him?
Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means, tell us what the difference is.No, it really isn't, because no holding back means that the person is giving it everything they have, which means Iron-man won't be going easy on Bruce because he underestimated him.
Again, It's not "going easy" on Bruce. It's Tony not realizing the threat Bruce actually is (just like many on here have already stated he would do)
"All IM would have to do is point and click" blah blah blah. It's obvious they are fans of Tonys, they think just like him lol.
