Originally posted by Firefly218
Tony's suit was hacked by Ultron many many times, destroyed pretty easily by the Mjolnir (which is made up of a densely packed cluster of neutrons), destroyed by black panthers vibranium weapons, obliterated by Thor's lightning strike, destroyed by Wonderman - not to mention the suit doesnt do too well against brute force and magic/reality warping. I'm sure Bruce could find many ways to defeat Tony's suit. I'm not saying that batman wins, because I believe Iron Man has too much firepower, but I think it should be a good fight, taking Batman's intelligence in exploitation into consideration.
Im trying to say that this fight wont be a stomp
After 4 pages and decades of showings, what this boils down to is 'Batman finds a way'.
Id say ironman wins, because Batman has to come up with a defense and an offense in the same week, tony just needs to focus on covering his back, because he'll do a little research and find out Batman is an expert at exploitation of weaknesses and he always finds a way.
He nukes from orbit.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Tony's suit was hacked by Ultron many many times, destroyed pretty easily by the Mjolnir (which is made up of a densely packed cluster of neutrons), destroyed by black panthers vibranium weapons, obliterated by Thor's lightning strike, destroyed by Wonderman - not to mention the suit doesnt do too well against brute force and magic/reality warping. I'm sure Bruce could find many ways to defeat Tony's suit. I'm not saying that batman wins, because I believe Iron Man has too much firepower, but I think it should be a good fight, taking Batman's intelligence in exploitation into consideration.
I would agree with this for the most part. In a random encounter I would give it to Tony. But with prep, still gotta go Bats.
One thing though, just because Ultron was able to hack IM doesn't mean Bruce will be able to. There's a very large gap there.
Originally posted by Juk3n
After 4 pages and decades of showings, what this boils down to is 'Batman finds a way'.Id say ironman wins, because Batman has to come up with a defense and an offense in the same week, tony just needs to focus on covering his back, because he'll do a little research and find out Batman is an expert at exploitation of weaknesses and he always finds a way.
He nukes from orbit.
I agree. I mean, EVEN if Bruce had sufficient and adequate prep... How's he gonna effectively employ it against a guy who can just take to the skies and blast him to kingdom come?
Originally posted by Odekahn
I would agree with this for the most part. In a random encounter I would give it to Tony. But with prep, still gotta go Bats.One thing though, just because Ultron was able to hack IM doesn't mean Bruce will be able to. There's a very large gap there.
Nah, Bruce only wins with one-sided prep and extensive intel. In a prep battle, Batman obviously stands a chance, but Tony would come out victorious.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Tony's suit was hacked by Ultron many many times, destroyed pretty easily by the Mjolnir (which is made up of a densely packed cluster of neutrons), destroyed by black panthers vibranium weapons, obliterated by Thor's lightning strike, destroyed by Wonderman - not to mention the suit doesnt do too well against brute force and magic/reality warping. I'm sure Bruce could find many ways to defeat Tony's suit. I'm not saying that batman wins, because I believe Iron Man has too much firepower, but I think it should be a good fight, taking Batman's intelligence in exploitation into consideration.
oh yes cos Bruce is a sophisticated AI, has a magic indestructible hammer that emits magical (probably amped and a LOT stronger than lightning), has access to an exotic and damaging metal and to top it all off is made of ionic energy
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
oh yes cos Bruce is a sophisticated AI, has a magic indestructible hammer that emits magical (probably amped and a LOT stronger than lightning), has access to an exotic and damaging metal and to top it all off is made of ionic energy
The point is that Tony's suit has weaknesses that can be exploited
Don't take everything so literally you dumb a$$
Originally posted by IHateCoughing
Nah, Bruce only wins with one-sided prep and extensive intel. In a prep battle, Batman obviously stands a chance, but Tony would come out victorious.
If Bruce is successful in triggering several EMP's then Tony's tech would be useless, and hand to hand Tony doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by OdekahnEMP only work on non-EMP sheilded electronics 1 would assume starks has this covered if not i would wager during the week of prep Tony would realise this IF it even a weakness or not
If Bruce is successful in triggering several EMP's then Tony's tech would be useless, and hand to hand Tony doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by Odekahn
If Bruce is successful in triggering several EMP's then Tony's tech would be useless, and hand to hand Tony doesn't stand a chance.
Tony can simply shut down his suit long enough for the EMPs to not affect it and then instantly reboot.
He did it against Winter Soldier.
OR, his suit is simply resistant to electromagnetic pulses. There ARE instances where EMPs haven't worked on him, after all.
Since the extremis have there been any showings off him in combat without the suit cos I seem to remember him seating that gee had to grow new organs just to be able to run his new suit, and I wanna know if it has even changed him in that regard.
@what's his face you're arguament was a dumb one so I argued in kind deal with it
Originally posted by Odekahn
If Bruce is successful in triggering several EMP's then Tony's tech would be useless, and hand to hand Tony doesn't stand a chance.
EMPs, my goodness, I can't believe it's been that simple all along, just use emps on ironman. Well, do you suppose heading into the fight Ironman might, I don't know lets say 'guess' that his genius enemy would try and use an emp attack to disable his armor?
Ironman has to go into this fight with one question, "what can't my suit withstand" - run through the radioactivity spectrum, run through the electromagnetic field spectrum, test for magical properties and maybe some cosmic ones of which are abundant to marvel earth dwelling billionare geniuses. disable remote access during combat so no hacking.
Batman has to answer too many questions during his prep time for any one solution to present itself, obtain a sample of tonys latest suit armor, obtain code for j.a.r.v.i.s or w/e IM uses now. Prep defense against sonic/physical/electric/heat/light/lazer/explosive attacks that are in some instances designed to fell other heralds. He cant just break out the "wonder woman" contingency plan and tweak it here and there.
the two opponents are being asked to do two very different tasks here. And I think Tonys task is way easier.
Originally posted by Juk3n
EMPs, my goodness, I can't believe it's been that simple all along, just use emps on ironman. Well, do you suppose heading into the fight Ironman might, I don't know lets say 'guess' that his genius enemy would try and use an emp attack to disable his armor?Ironman has to go into this fight with one question, "what can't my suit withstand" - run through the radioactivity spectrum, run through the electromagnetic field spectrum, test for magical properties and maybe some cosmic ones of which are abundant to marvel earth dwelling billionare geniuses. disable remote access during combat so no hacking.
Batman has to answer too many questions during his prep time for any one solution to present itself, obtain a sample of tonys latest suit armor, obtain code for j.a.r.v.i.s or w/e IM uses now. Prep defense against sonic/physical/electric/heat/light/lazer/explosive attacks that are in some instances designed to fell other heralds. He cant just break out the "wonder woman" contingency plan and tweak it here and there.
the two opponents are being asked to do two very different tasks here. And I think Tonys task is way easier.
Of course Tony would expect something like an EMP. And Batman would know that too. That's why he could coat his Batarangs with nanobots that disable EMP shields and also infect with a techovirus. Coat it's exterior with Nth metal to disable any magical defenses Tony MIGHT have set up.
Tony's dependency on his tech is too crippling against someone like Batman in a prep war. Tony is a master prepper, but he's not nearly as paranoid or deep rooted in surroundings and strategy as Bruce.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
You said Bruce can hack it because Ultron could.That's like saying Cyke would drop superman because Darkseids eyebeams hurt him.
Thus you seem like the Dumba**
I actually did not say that, in fact I did not even mean to imply that. I simply stated a multitude of cases in which Tony's weaknesses were exploited.
Read shit right before you go posting a comeback