Originally posted by Nephthys
Mara Jade?
I haven't actually read NJO, what were the circumstances, Mara Jade was his aunt - Vader (one of the most powerful Sith of all time) struggled with a Luke who would later struggle to beat Mara Jade, getting pwned by C'boath (should be weaker than Vader), Lumiya, etc.
So what we got here is a case of PIS: Anakin Solo jobbing to his aunt.
Yeah, so? What, and Revan would lose to Obi-Wan...[irrelevant so I snipped it]?
In Anakin's case, if he'd made the tactical error of trying to leap across that much distance, leaving himself open, Obi-wan wouldn't just amputate him out of compassion, he'd kill him.
No, I don't think Revan would have broken Obi-wan's defenses as many times as Anakin did without using special abilities like illusions or some other TOR-shit - and his Force heal is<Dark Transfer so he'd not get up after getting his limbs chopped off.
Revan is one of the most powerful Jedi of all time.
Not really.
Its not ridiculous to think he can take Anakin.
Anakin was put on the council before HoT ("to be on the council at your age, it's never happened before!"😉, Plagueis states a vergence with a midi-chlorian count at Anakin's would be higher than any being ever born before, Anakin excelled faster than all his competition in a time where there were FAAAR more apsiring Jedi than in the TOR era (the galactic populace was higher and the Jedi Order had grown unhindered for 1,000 years, whereas the Jedi council had started from scratch 300 years before TOR; after Kotor II), I'd say Anakin - seasoned by war, even at 23 years old, was more powerful in the Force, and more powerful in the combat related powers he'd developed, than even the redeemed Revan by miles.
Dooku would trash Revan in a fight.
I DISAGREE. estahuhThen argue your case.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZThat doesn't take away from the accolade - as Anakin couldn't become a Jedi Master because there was no more Jedi Order for him to move up the ranks in.
Anakin being put on the council before the HoT is as irrelevant as me saying the HoT became a jedi master, Anakin never did. Just food for thought
It is impressive that he naturally excelled faster in developing any Force-related ability ("his abilities have made him...arrogant"😉 than thousands of Force users.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZBecause giving him a rank of master meant that he would be allowed access to the restricted holocrons.
Anakin being put on the council before the HoT is as irrelevant as me saying the HoT became a jedi master, Anakin never did. Just food for thought 😉
He was " 'arguably' the most powerful Jedi alive and is still getting stronger." -Mace
"He's holding me back. " -AotC movie
"They don't trust you, Anakin. They see your future, they know your power will be too strong to control." -RotS movie
Originally posted by Oneness
I haven't actually read NJO, what were the circumstances, Mara Jade was his aunt - Vader (one of the most powerful Sith of all time) struggled with a Luke who would later struggle to beat Mara Jade, getting pwned by C'boath (should be weaker than Vader), Lumiya, etc.So what we got here is a case of PIS: Anakin Solo jobbing to his aunt.
Mara goes completely nuts on him and actually very nearly kills him. Only him freaking her out by putting an illusion of Ben's face over his own made her hesitate from the final blow and even then he needed to grow a third arm to kill her (both his arms were busy, but he still somehow manages to stab her with a poison needle).
Originally posted by Oneness
In Anakin's case, if he'd made the tactical error of trying to leap across that much distance, leaving himself open, Obi-wan wouldn't just amputate him out of compassion, he'd kill him.No, I don't think Revan would have broken Obi-wan's defenses as many times as Anakin did without using special abilities like illusions or some other TOR-shit - and his Force heal is<Dark Transfer so he'd not get up after getting his limbs chopped off.
I know, and Revan probably wouldn't make the same error.
Dooku didn't seem to have problems with breaking Kenobi's defense. Revan would TK pwn him like Dooku did, or throw an uber Light + Dark in balance attack at him.
Originally posted by Oneness
Not really.
Yes really. Revan was a legendary Jedi who inspired cults hundreds of years after his 'death.'
Originally posted by Oneness
Anakin was put on the council before HoT ("to be on the council at your age, it's never happened before!"😉, Plagueis states a vergence with a midi-chlorian count at Anakin's would be higher than any being ever born before,
Anakin being on the council is irrelevant and yes, Anakin has the highest potential of all time, but he did not come close to realising his potential. Anakin is an incompetent buffoon. He has the greatest power ever but utterly fails in wielding that power.
Originally posted by Oneness
Anakin excelled faster than all his competition in a time where there were FAAAR more apsiring Jedi than in the TOR era (the galactic populace was higher and the Jedi Order had grown unhindered for 1,000 years, whereas the Jedi council had started from scratch 300 years before TOR; after Kotor II),
Bwahahahahaha! Ok, I'm sure its ignorance that makes you say this but the Jedi Order as of TOR pretty conclusively numbers in the millions. Even the Sith Empire holds those numbers and they are vastly outnumbered by the Jedi and the Republic. Waaay more than the measly 10,000 of the PT era.
Originally posted by Oneness
I'd say Anakin - seasoned by war, even at 23 years old, was more powerful in the Force, and more powerful in the combat related powers he'd developed, than even the redeemed Revan by miles.
That is ridiculous. Anakin isn't more powerful with the Force or in combat. Revan defeated entire armies, beat the shit out of Star Forge Malak, curbstomped Nyriss, challenged Vitiate and amazed Bane with his knowledge of the Force. There is absolutely no way Anakin outstrips him by miles. Even Tempest would laugh at that and he hates Revan.
Originally posted by Oneness
Dooku would trash Revan in a fight.
Lmao. No he wouldn't.
Originally posted by Oneness
Then argue your case.
Nah.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Mara goes completely nuts on him and actually very nearly kills him. Only him freaking her out by putting an illusion of Ben's face over his own made her hesitate from the final blow and even then he needed to grow a third arm to kill her (both his arms were busy, but he still somehow manages to stab her with a poison needle).
Like I said, PIS.....
Dooku didn't seem to have problems with breaking Kenobi's defense. Revan would TK pwn him like Dooku did, or throw an uber Light + Dark in balance attack at him.
Quit calling Darth Tyranus "Dookie".
Dooku=Windu, which is>Revan.
Yes really. Revan was a legendary Jedi who inspired cults hundreds of years after his 'death.'
Maybe top 20.
According to you Barsen'Thor stomps.
Anakin being on the council is irrelevant and yes, Anakin has the highest potential of all time, but he did not come close to realising his potential. Anakin is an incompetent buffoon. He has the greatest power ever but utterly fails in wielding that power.
He got about 80 realized out of 200, potential wise, according to Lucas.
Bwahahahahaha! Ok, I'm sure its ignorance that makes you say this but the Jedi Order as of TOR pretty conclusively numbers in the millions. Even the Sith Empire holds those numbers and they are vastly outnumbered by the Jedi and the Republic. Waaay more than the measly 10,000 of the PT era.
Guess the Jedi of the golden age of the Republic era were more selective in their candidates - choosing quality of quantity.
So Anakin was excelling faster than the best among the best.
I love how TOR adds to the PT power levels.
And thank you, for arguing my point.
That is ridiculous. Anakin isn't more powerful with the Force or in combat. Revan defeated entire armies,
So did Mace Windu and Yoda.
beat the shit out of Star Forge Malak, curbstomped Nyriss, challenged Vitiate and amazed Bane with his knowledge of the Force.
Anakin whooped Dooku's ass and awed Sidious in the process. BANG!
There is absolutely no way Anakin outstrips him by miles.
Lmao. No he wouldn't.
He'd have more problems with Malgus than Revan, tbh.
Nah.
#Concession excepted.
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Because giving him a rank of master meant that he would be allowed access to the restricted holocrons.He was " 'arguably' the most powerful Jedi alive and is still getting stronger." -Mace
"He's holding me back. " -AotC movie
"They don't trust you, Anakin. They see your future, they know your power will be too strong to control." -RotS movie
And also because Anakin obviously wasn't ready to be a Jedi Master. He was far too immature and unstable. He lacked the wisdom, maturity and self-control that a Jedi Master needs. The scene where he flips out over not becoming a Master shows exactly why he shouldn't be a Master.
Originally posted by Oneness
Like I said, PIS.....
Not so much PIS as it was her simply fighting much smarter than he did. If anything it was PIS that he managed to survive.
Originally posted by Oneness
Quit calling Darth Tyranus "Dookie".Dooku=Windu, which is>Revan.
ABC logic doesn't work. Revan has demonstrated comparable TK prowess and raw power on the level of both of those two.
Originally posted by Oneness
Maybe top 20.According to you Barsen'Thor stomps.
I don't believe I said Thor stomped him. I said she's more powerful than he is, but the two are quite close.
Originally posted by Oneness
He got about 80 realized out of 200, potential wise, according to Lucas.
As Vader, who was much better in actualizing his power than Anakin was.
Originally posted by Oneness
Guess the Jedi of the golden age of the Republic era were more selective in their candidates - choosing quality of quantity.So Anakin was excelling faster than the best among the best.
I love how TOR adds to the PT power levels.
And thank you, for arguing my point.
I guess not, since its said repeatedly that the PT era has majorly slacked off in the area of combat training. And recall that they have the Agricultural Corps, where they send Jedi who are too weak to become actual Padawans and Knights. So I hardly think they're that selective in who they take in, if they take force users that weak into their ranks.
Originally posted by Oneness
So did Mace Windu and Yoda.
And...... that puts him below Anakin? I mean, dismissing something because freaking Yoda and Windu have done it is utterly dumb. Matching something they've done doesn't put you below Anakin. 😬
Originally posted by Oneness
Zonakin whooped Dooku's ass and awed Sidious in the process. BANG!
True.
Originally posted by Oneness
He'd have more problems with Malgus than Revan, tbh.
Probably.
In that Malgus would kick his ass.
Originally posted by Oneness
#Concession excepted.
I really don't want to argue the Hero of Tython with you again.
Originally posted by NephthysNo, as Anakin Skywalker, who was the strongest Jedi of his age; and rising steadily as of ROTS. If he'd maintained his focus - without faltering or falling to the fear of losing Padme, he would have continued to grow in the Force by leaps and bounds like, he had already been making. He could of reached FoTJ Luke's levels at a much younger age.
As Vader, who was much better in actualizing his power than Anakin was.
As Vader, he stopped and evened out because he could no longer accept himself - he had too much despair to improve - and could not commit fully to the dark (Shadows of the Empire).
I'm under the impression that Darth Tyranus, along with Windu, were elite Jedi - like the Barsen-Thor except with full potential realized and many decades of refinement - as well as the premier, best duelists of any age (rivaling Tulak Hord and Luke Skywalker) - could defeat Cyborg Vader, Revan, and perhaps Malgus despite Jensaarai's theory.
As Vader he had a far superior command of the Force and was much more skilled in using it. His Force Mastery was on the whole, vastly superior to Anakin who preferred to bull through everything relying on his innate power.
They are elite Jedi and duelists, but so are Vader, Revan and Malgus. In fact, I would place all 3 of them a step above Dooku as a whole.
Vader was a "broken shadow of his former self", a "painter gone blind".
After Padme died, he stopped growing stronger. With non-limber cyborg limbs taking away motility, boots that made the ground slipper, a helmet the burdened his balance (RoDV), without the ability to breath on his own (except under certain circumstances when he had to, he called upon Force rage, he was a mini-Darth Sion), with a heavy respirator that was like a big fat target, ROTS Anakin mauls any Vader.