Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I guess, in your opinion, that that Thor is exactly the same as current Thor.Wrong, but its an opinion.
Current Thor is stronger than This Thor.
You guys read that story ? It was 616. After that he returned in time.
The same case happen in the story where Thor kills thing with few blows, but it is undone later.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The writer said it was [b]supposed to be Hulk, but the artist failed to show that... it's very vague, I doubt any KMC mod would allow this showing. Looks a lot more like Rulk to me than Hulk to me, tbh.Yes. It's considered a non-canon fight by most, though. [/B]
We see only a monster in the dark. Hard to say if it is green or red. Why you think its look like red Hulk ?
How I can ask to a mod judge This ?
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
No, it is not non canon. Was in Marvel 616.
This is not correct. It is not Marvel 616.
The Reigning (in which King Thor came from) was retconned and turned into an alternate timeline.
Much like AoA and AoU. The timelines split and different "realities" emerge.
As a result of time manipulation, King Thor's timeline broke away from Marvel 616, and instead became Marvel 3515.
See below:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-3515
King Thor = Marvel 3515
Normal Thor = Marvel 616
Thus King Thor is NOT Canon reference material.
(And it's also why Thor was allowed to kill freely in that Arc- because writers are always given free license to go overboard when they know they will just retcon the timeline and make it a non-canon event later anyway.)
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Because someone said Thor never beat Hulk in a h2h fight. Also, the thread is not about WB.
And someone was correct.
616 Thor has never defeated 616 Hulk in a purely hand to hand encounter.
You have Respect Forums on this very site for Gawds sake.
Go look.
Thor only wins his close matches when he calls down the divine Asgardian mojo.
With just Hammer and Fist, the most he has ever landed on Hulk is a Draw.
...in fact, for 90% of their matches, a Draw is all that he tends to land even with his other powers.
It's truth. Read it. Learn it. Embrace it.
Originally posted by jaxthejesterAnother tldr post. Incorrect. Pak has given him feats to put those to shame. It isn't even close. It is made loud and clear. No Hulk could ever last more than a minute with HOTM Hulk. Try using objectivity when you debate. Infinite power potential is a lie. He has always been limited by his anger. He doesn't possess infinite anger. You don't even comprehend the basics you awful little man.
[B]"Typical insults seeking to hide your inferiority when it comes to debating. Struck a nerve. It happens."
"I never said it was not."Yes, it's nice that you got around to making that distinction after I called you out.
Now let's look to your contentions again:
"1. Thanos doesn't need other powers to beat the Hulk. His durability can tank know.
Thor has only ever dropped Thor by using other powers.
In the realm of physical combat- Hulk reigns supreme.
And against Thanos, this would be no different.Thanos is all fists here. And fists against WWhulk will do little more than piss him off and make him hit back even harder.
[B]"2. Based on ? He might be smarter but his strength has always been dynamic so this is really not proven. Even if it was he never reached levels even approaching power which can even significantly damage Thanos. WW Hulk burned himself out against an out of control Sentry. 😉"
Sentry destroyed Molecule Man with a thought. He blew apart planets with Genis-Vell without blinking. He stomped a Herald of Galactus in less hits than Thanos (Terrax couldn't even affect him).
Sentry was written by Pak to be a Cosmic Force of Nature.
Stated on panel as being THE most powerful being on the planet at that time.AND Sentry had ALL of his powers against Hulk. Hulk wasn't just tanking fists. He was directly tanking energy manipulation that can shatter planets. He took on Sentry, fully unleashed, and he still beat him.
With Thanos, all he needs to face is RAW punching power.
That is nothing. Sentry attacked every cell in Hulk's body with titanic cosmic power.
Thanos can only damage a limited amount of area on Hulk with each hit. Namely, the size of his fist.
That is not enough to stop Hulk at this level.
Zom/Strange literally punched Bowling Ball sized holes through the torso of Hulk in this form. That includes obliterating Hulk's spine and internal organs. Hulk was healed within seconds.
What can the mere punches of Thanos do against such a rabid Healing Factor?
The Titan cannot punch fast enough to keep Hulk down.
WWHulk was beyond being dropped by simple striking power.
He was a match for Full Powered Juggernaut.
Thanos would LOSE a punching match with Full Powered Juggernaut. Hulk would simply keep amping and battle him until one of them got bored and walked away.
THAT is the trump WWHulk holds over a powerless Thanos.
Without his massive Energy Manipulation Powers, Thanos is reduced to a simple striker of VERY high level.
But not a higher level than a version of Hulk that is geometrically stronger than his normal self. Stronger than Thor. And growing even stronger by the moment thanks to limitless amping."3. Thanos has also slapped him around since then like a girl, mind controlled him, punched him away like some minor diversion, and ordered him around like a foot soldier."
A). Again- Thanos NEVER faced WWhulk. Get it right.
B). Thanos has no powers in this match. So no mind control. So no point.You're not very good at this, are you? 😕
"Hulk fans:Ignore their on panel interactions and cling to one line in a twenty year old plus comic. 😂 "
Not really. I'm speaking almost solely of WWHulk. And he is not a 20 year old incarnation.
"4. We saw lesser beings face him and do fine. Ghost Rider, Juggernaut, Sentry, etc. We have seen Thanos face the Hulk and not even blink. Keep making excuses, gamma boy."
A). Juggernaut would beat the crap out of Thanos in a purely physical fist fight. He did NO lasting damage at all to WWHulk. In fact, Hulk matched him to almost an exact tie, and healed damage as fast as Juggs could dish it out.
So again- no points for you.
B). Ghost Rider unleashed is Zarathos- a Hell Lord Class being, as powerful as the likes of Mephisto and Blackheart. Zarathos killed roughly a hundred Avatars of Satan himself when fully unleashed.
As Dr. Strange said- Zarathos has limitless Godlike Power.
If you read a bit of Ghost Rider, than you would know that this is a creature that only Heaven can create or destroy.That said- WWHulk kicked the CRAP out of Ghost Rider in "normal Blaze" form. It was trounce. And Zarathos did not defeat Hulk. He decided not to fight Hulk. That battle never even occurred.
So... yeh, keep on grabbing for straws bud.
[alactus.
He is a HIGH end Cosmic
But funny."[/B]It's a gift.
I am a Jester after all. 😛 [/B]
I said his opinion should be dismissed on fictional matchups he didn't pen like all other writers. I don't just do this to Pak. You misunderstand practically every point thrown your way. WW Hulk was overpowered by the Sentry. 😂
Awesome.
Paks work or comics are facts but his opinion over a Hulk/Black Adam fight has. I relevance since it hasn't seen publication.
Bfr is a win here. Try reading the forum rules. If I transport you into a black hole I win. Thor ko'd him with a lightning attack. He also took him off planet. Thor fights the Hulks fight and engages him in a manner which benefits the Hulk. Thats a testament to Thor. He has powers which give Hulk no chance tbh.
Thanos is far superior to Thor so drawing some false parallel here is pathetic. Thanos doesn't notice Thor when he attacks him. Nul sure did. 🙂 That was an amped Hulk to boot. Quit picking and choosing.
Thanos' fists are more impressive than Hulks. Hulks fists as WW Hulk depowered when he punched the Sentry who continuously flew into them to boot. Not impressed, bro. Guy didn't even ko Ghost Rider. 🙂
Sentry developed new powers after his fight with the Hulk. Yes, the Sentry is more powerful than the Hulk. I agree, 100 percent.
Yes, it is. We see Zeus rape the Hulk hand to hand. What are you talking about ? Zeus mocked him and fought his fight. Thanos would rape him in a fist fight. The guy couldn't even put down the Sentry as the Hulk with him running into his punches.
Zom/Strange stopped and then was beaten. He held back and stopped fighting.
😆
He punched fast enough to stop Hulk mid launch. I mean quit ignoring comics or the way Hulk fights to sell your piss poor argument.
WW Hulk bfr'd a fully powered Juggernaut. You said that wasn't a victory. Eat your own words, kiddo.
Yes, he hasn't since WW Hulk was an emotional wreck who begged to be put down. Great champion.
WW Hulk is not that impressive.
Prove it. Quit saying he would beat Thanos without the proof. Its awful debating.
Keep making excuses Hulk couldn't put him down. Thor beat up Hela who punked Mephistopheles himself. I mean come on Hulky.
Odin didn't kick his ass. He respected him and even said so. He never put him down but we see Zeus own him with a blast and then engage Hulk fisticuffs. Zeus had the poor Hulky puking up blood. 😘
That was a fully fed Galactus who still didn't kill Thanos. Awesome showing. Thanos later saved Galactus and all of 616 from the Hunger.
The rest of your post is useless, unfunny stuff. Work on that.
Originally posted by jaxthejesterThanos didn't lose against either Thor or Champion. Your speculation isn't proof. WW Hulk gets burned out on far less than Thanos.
By making it upfront instead of back tracking to break it down.Pak's writing IS his opinion. He could sketch in anything he chose. It was his prerogative to set Hulk's power level.
And he chose to set it at levels that were geometrically higher than any version of Hulk that Thanos has ever faced before.
Thanos was going to lose to Thor with the Power Gem.
Thanos was going to lose to Champion with the Power Gem.The ONLY thing that stopped it was Thanos' other powers.
Against WWHulk, Thanos has no other powers.
And WWHulk's Power-Set is virtually identical to Champion with the Power Gem: Namely being FAR beyond standard Thor/Hercules Base Level Strength, and having LIMITLESS amping potential. No stopping point.
When you add in that WWHulk's healing factor could heal entire portions of his body in mere seconds- the outcome of a "fist fight" with WWHulk and Thanos is all but a given.
Thanos gets stomped. By the same punching power that tanked strikes from Zom and from Sentry Unleashed.
Thanos is crippled for this match. And he is facing Hulk at insane levels of power.
The Titan eats it. Face facts and accept the truth. It will set you free. 😮💨
Thanos has resisted power from Odin and Tyrant, Thanos makes Hulk tap out. Sentry burned him out fighting the Hulks fight. This is according to Pak. Great Scott.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHe has slapped him before, overpowered the Hulk and the Thing, punched him away like a minor foe.
Thanos clearly wanted to avoid a physical confrontation with the Hulk as mentioned in the Champion fight.How much more powerful did Thanos become from that time to INFINITY?
I mean read some comics.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
We see only a monster in the dark. Hard to say if it is green or red. Why you think its look like red Hulk ?How I can ask to a mod judge This ?
Looks like Thor's cape in that panel, tbh.
PM either Badabing or Pr. You should also include the link or a screenshot with Grevioux's post (Rage posted it somewhere, iirc).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Looks like Thor's cape in that panel, tbh.PM either Badabing or Pr. You should also include the link or a screenshot with Grevioux's post (Rage posted it somewhere, iirc).
I think that scan of "hammer and sinew" is not canon. But it will be better to get a MOD ruling.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynseriously people are still riding the dick of that myth despite it been busted several times
Thanos clearly wanted to avoid a physical confrontation with the Hulk as mentioned in the Champion fight.How much more powerful did Thanos become from that time to INFINITY?
Thanos is more intelligent than his followers.
Thanos has deliberately held to his assessment and stated intentions over the years. And sought to avoid fighting Hulk.
Last time, he got a plot device to get rid of Hulk. The time before that, he used mind control of Hulk to avoid fighting Hulk (and Hulk in turn one-shot Thor and almost all the other Avengers).
There's a reason why you don't see Thanos handing out freebies to Hulk, like he does to Thor.
@jaxthejester
:u: love the way you own Quan here ^^. Funny as hell.
Thanos stands absolutely no chance, he isn't strong enoug to ko WWH, nor is he fast enough to hit him more then he will get hit and Hulks HF will keep him longer in the game then Thanos durability, AND on top of it all WWH hits far harder then Thanos.
This has gotten too far now... I mean let's use some common sense here..
People are claiming Thanos is scared to fight the hulk and or can't beat the hulk.. This is being stupid when you look at their interactions together...
People are holding only narration from Thanos acting like he was saying he was scared to fight the hulk.. he said no such thing... He was saying... why fight somebody that you don't have to is all he was saying... Which he PROVED the next time he did see the hulk... He didn't run and hide or avoid the fight... Instead he punked the hulk and mocked his strength. In fact, it was a hulk with from another brutish fellow and he overpowered both of them at the same time. So he hardly seemed scared or the least bit concerned.
Another time he met the hulk.. he mind controlled him with utter ease as if he was a weak feeb. Does this seem like Thanos was scared of the hulk? How much sense does it make to be scared of somebody you can easily mind control.. You wouldn't be.
Shit, even during this latest encounter... Thanos called Hulk a diversion.. nothign more.. not a serious threat.. not anything even in that light.. but instead a diversion. He promptly smacked hulk away like a child with utter ease. I think it's safe to logically assume THanos is above all his generals.. and comfortably... Yet all it took was one of his generals to beat the hulk.. yet I'm suppose to believe Thanos is scared of the hulk or the hulk can beat thanos was somebody beneath him pwned him with ease? Please
Some of you people make no logical sense and aren't going by what we see in the comics. Shit, Peter David.. one of the biggest hulk fanboys of all time.. when asked about THanos and Hulk's strength.. said... Thanos is in his own weight class when it comes to strength. The only thing Thanos is scared about when it comes to the hulk is not killing a lackey of his that can do his dirty work for him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This has gotten too far now... I mean let's use some common sense here..People are claiming Thanos is scared to fight the hulk and or can't beat the hulk.. This is being stupid when you look at their interactions together...
People are holding only narration from Thanos acting like he was saying he was scared to fight the hulk.. he said no such thing... He was saying... why fight somebody that you don't have to is all he was saying... Which he PROVED the next time he did see the hulk... He didn't run and hide or avoid the fight... Instead he punked the hulk and mocked his strength. In fact, it was a hulk with from another brutish fellow and he overpowered both of them at the same time. So he hardly seemed scared or the least bit concerned.
Another time he met the hulk.. he mind controlled him with utter ease as if he was a weak feeb. Does this seem like Thanos was scared of the hulk? How much sense does it make to be scared of somebody you can easily mind control.. You wouldn't be.
Shit, even during this latest encounter... Thanos called Hulk a diversion.. nothign more.. not a serious threat.. not anything even in that light.. but instead a diversion. He promptly smacked hulk away like a child with utter ease. I think it's safe to logically assume THanos is above all his generals.. and comfortably... Yet all it took was one of his generals to beat the hulk.. yet I'm suppose to believe Thanos is scared of the hulk or the hulk can beat thanos was somebody beneath him pwned him with ease? Please
Some of you people make no logical sense and aren't going by what we see in the comics. Shit, Peter David.. one of the biggest hulk fanboys of all time.. when asked about THanos and Hulk's strength.. said... Thanos is in his own weight class when it comes to strength. The only thing Thanos is scared about when it comes to the hulk is not killing a lackey of his that can do his dirty work for him.
Not far enough if you ask me.
He was afraid of Champion that's why he used shields and compared him to Hulk- He avoided to fightin him in infinity directly and let his generals handle it.
Prof. Hulk and Thing are not Savage Hulk or WBH or Green Scar so if you post this you should also tell those who don't know it that he mocked Prof. Hulk, which makes you point useless.
He had to midn control him because he couldn't beat him physically. So it makes sense that he feared him, if he wouldn't be afraid he would just beat him physically ^^.
Thanos avoided him, always, except weaker forms of the Hulk, like the prof. He still feared him enough to mind control him or bfr him and let his generals handle him, not by physical means but with weapons and energy attacks. So you should also point out that his generals didn't beat him physically.
Statements of such people are ignored, and rightfully so.
What we have here isn't a fight with all powers, it's a slugfest and we know from comics and Thanos/Hulk history, that Thanos is afraid to confront the normal, not weaker form of Hulk directly, and even his generals have to use other means to bring him down. This time Thanos does not have help, he is on his own, no TP, no Generals, no weak form of Hulk but one of the best and all he has is his durability and strength, the second far inferior to Hulks, and his greater durability is easily outcclassed by Hulks HF.
You guys really need to read This mythbust about Thanos being Scared of the Hulk: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t474929.html
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
You guys really need to read This mythbust about Thanos being Scared of the Hulk: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t474929.html
He isn't afraid of the Hulk in that sense that he can't handle him with tech and all his other powers. He fears to engage him physically, a big difference.
Wrong...Prof hulk if you remember also has some VERY impressive strength showings to his name... Let's not act like hw was some weakling... Shit prof hulk alone has strength showings that surpass Thor and rival superman... Yet, it's not impressive what Thanos did to him? You seem to forget that whatever Hulk is in a comic at that time is perceived to be super duper strong and can overcome whatever obstacle in front of him using strength.. THis is true for most any hulk that appears... Thus, when Thanos mocked his strength, yes it does mean something. The WRITER OF MARVEL and EDITOR all okay Thanos saying... "You call yourselves strong, I'm STRENGTH PERSONIFIED" It wasn't just action by Thanos and overpowering them.. it's narration from Marvel stating Thanos is that strong. A hulk WITH HELP from another brick mind you.
How can you keep saying he was afraid of hulk when the very next time they met.. Thanos didn't run.. didn't try and avoid the confrontation.. but instead overpowered the hulk with help with utter ease. How the **** is that being scared? Don't be a moron Prof.. those aren't actions of somebody who is scared are they?
The mind controlled hulk with utter ease Prof... WHY THE **** WOULD YOU BE SCARED OF SOMEBODY YOU CAN CONTROL WITH EASE. That makes zero logical sense. You wouldn't be scared ot them when they are your pet. Doesn't work that way. We don't even know what version of hulk that even was.. but it could've been scar which would mean he punked and controlled a version of the hulk you're saying he's scared of LULZ
So we shouldn't listen to one of the premiere writers of Hulk and instead ingnore his feelings on the character for your opinion or other battle board people thoughts? This has to be one of the dumbest things Iv'e heard you say. You don't work for marvel and have zero authority or say at all in marvel. Yet, we should listen to your opinion and not an actual writer for marvel and somebody that has worked on Hulk extensively? Odd. Nah I think I'll go ahead and listen to Peter David when he says thanos is in his own weight class when it comes to strength and the other heroes like Hulk.. thor etc