Thanos VS World War Hulk( SLUGFEST)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have heard it all now. Claiming Hickman is a fanboy of Thanos is something truly out there. Thats ok you're new here and trying to make your mark.

Here's the difference and please pay attention your lesson is about to begin. Pak's work is fine just as any others writers work is evidence but their opinions on outcomes of battles which haven't hit print is just that their opinion. It has no bearing on anything. It is just another opinion.

Based on the evidence by their combined histories Thanos operates on a much higher level than Hulk. That is undeniable unless you really like the Hulk. In that case deny away and I will be to shove purple shit in your face.

In the end as always Thanos will be triumphant.

So... just to recap:

If I do not agree with you, then you will throw purple manure at me?

Stunning logic. I can see how you would feel self important when you are packing intellectual guns of this caliber.

If you are up to it- you really should give "chewing rocks" a try. Just a suggestion.

Let's take a look at that cute attempt to make a point:

"Claiming Hickman is a fanboy of Thanos is something truly out there."

I know right? It's almost as subjective as claiming that Pak was a fan of Hulk.

It's amazing how ridiculous the baseless claims of the bias sound.
(And the great thing is that they are even funnier when served with a side of knowledgeable sarcasm! 😎 )

"Thats ok you're new here and trying to make your mark."

Now that is funny.

"Here's the difference and please pay attention your lesson is about to begin."

*pulls out a pencil and some paper*

"Pak's work is fine just as any others writers work is evidence but their opinions on outcomes of battles which haven't hit print is just that their opinion. "

Wow. What in the blue hell was that? Do you even know what you're trying to say here?

...Yeh. We're going to have to break this nonsense down in parts.

"Pak's work is fine just as any others writers work is evidence"

Here you say that Pak's work is fine. Thus admitting it is acceptable. And in doing so, you destroy your entire stance that his work should be dismissed.

Why in the hell would you type that? 😂

But man, it get's even better when you say "work is evidence"

Work is evidence of what? And what work are you even referring to?

Typing baseless rhetoric is downright lazy of you.

I can only assume that you are trying to say that Pak's work is acceptable, just as any other writer's work is acceptable.

...which is what I said in the first place. Thus you just agreed with me.

" It has no bearing on anything. It is just another opinion."

Exactly. And thus it holds the exact same relevance and validity as ANY other writers work. Which is why you cannot dismiss it.

Your not being a very good teacher... 🙁

"Based on the evidence by their combined histories Thanos operates on a much higher level than Hulk."
1. ONLY when Thanos has all of his powers. He does NOT have all of his powers in this fight. He has only his fists.

2. This Hulk is higher in power than ANY other Hulk that Thanos has ever faced. Therefore Thanos has NEVER had any history to base evidence off of in the first place. World War Hulk is an incarnation of Hulk that Thanos never faced in combat.

3. Thanos clearly stated, on-panel, that his shields were buckling under the strikes of Champion. He compared Champion's power AND his amping to that of HULK. And then Thanos clear stated he had actively avoided facing Hulk.

4. Thus we know that Thanos NEVER faced this version of Hulk. AND we know that Thanos was wary of facing the "lesser/normal" version of Hulk. AND we know that WWHulk was WAAAAY more powerful that the very same normal Hulk that Thanos compared to Champion as his shields were buckling.

5. In this fight- Thanos would have no shields. No tricks. Just fist. And he that is EXACTLY the scenario that he as afraid of. THAT is what he avoided. And that was against normal Hulk. Against WWHulk, Thanos would be out matched and beat down.

6. You type funny.

"That is undeniable unless you really like the Hulk."

And you end by telling me that your stance is absolute unless I happen to be a fan of one of the characters.

Wow. Just... wow. That is truly epic.
This just keeps getting better and better. 😆

"In that case deny away and I will be to shove purple shit in your face."

And finish with the monkey poo.

I congratulate you sir.

You have made one of the most amusing fail posts that I have seen in many a day.

But you do not get a cookie. You need to learn to write coherent sentences before I can award you fictional pastries for your mindless ranting.

😎

For those watching: That is called owning the guy who is silly enough to assume that a new name is automatically a new person.

Did you... Did you just brag about being a sock?

Originally posted by jaxthejester
So... just to recap:

If I do not agree with you, then you will throw purple manure at me?

Stunning logic. I can see how you would feel self important when you are packing intellectual guns of this caliber.

If you are up to it- you really should give "chewing rocks" a try. Just a suggestion.

Let's take a look at that cute attempt to make a point:

[B]"Claiming Hickman is a fanboy of Thanos is something truly out there."

I know right? It's almost as subjective as claiming that Pak was a fan of Hulk.

It's amazing how ridiculous the baseless claims of the bias sound.
(And the great thing is that they are even funnier when served with a side of knowledgeable sarcasm! 😎 )

"Thats ok you're new here and trying to make your mark."

Now that is funny.

"Here's the difference and please pay attention your lesson is about to begin."

*pulls out a pencil and some paper*

"Pak's work is fine just as any others writers work is evidence but their opinions on outcomes of battles which haven't hit print is just that their opinion. "

Wow. What in the blue hell was that? Do you even know what you're trying to say here?

...Yeh. We're going to have to break this nonsense down in parts.

"Pak's work is fine just as any others writers work is evidence"

Here you say that Pak's work is fine. Thus admitting it is acceptable. And in doing so, you destroy your entire stance that his work should be dismissed.

Why in the hell would you type that? 😂

But man, it get's even better when you say "work is evidence"

Work is evidence of what? And what work are you even referring to?

Typing baseless rhetoric is downright lazy of you.

I can only assume that you are trying to say that Pak's work is acceptable, just as any other writer's work is acceptable.

...which is what I said in the first place. Thus you just agreed with me.

" It has no bearing on anything. It is just another opinion."

Exactly. And thus it holds the exact same relevance and validity as ANY other writers work. Which is why you cannot dismiss it.

Your not being a very good teacher... 🙁

"Based on the evidence by their combined histories Thanos operates on a much higher level than Hulk."
1. ONLY when Thanos has all of his powers. He does NOT have all of his powers in this fight. He has only his fists.

2. This Hulk is higher in power than ANY other Hulk that Thanos has ever faced. Therefore Thanos has NEVER had any history to base evidence off of in the first place. World War Hulk is an incarnation of Hulk that Thanos never faced in combat.

3. Thanos clearly stated, on-panel, that his shields were buckling under the strikes of Champion. He compared Champion's power AND his amping to that of HULK. And then Thanos clear stated he had actively avoided facing Hulk.

4. Thus we know that Thanos NEVER faced this version of Hulk. AND we know that Thanos was wary of facing the "lesser/normal" version of Hulk. AND we know that WWHulk was WAAAAY more powerful that the very same normal Hulk that Thanos compared to Champion as his shields were buckling.

5. In this fight- Thanos would have no shields. No tricks. Just fist. And he that is EXACTLY the scenario that he as afraid of. THAT is what he avoided. And that was against normal Hulk. Against WWHulk, Thanos would be out matched and beat down.

6. You type funny.

"That is undeniable unless you really like the Hulk."

And you end by telling me that your stance is absolute unless I happen to be a fan of one of the characters.

Wow. Just... wow. That is truly epic.
This just keeps getting better and better. 😆

"In that case deny away and I will be to shove purple shit in your face."

And finish with the monkey poo.

I congratulate you sir.

You have made one of the most amusing fail posts that I have seen in many a day.

But you do not get a cookie. You need to learn to write coherent sentences before I can award you fictional pastries for your mindless ranting.

😎 [/B]

Typical insults seeking to hide your inferiority when it comes to debating. Struck a nerve. It happens.

Pak is the premiere writer of the Hulks claims to fame. Thanos' greatest feats aren't even from this arc. Not even remotely so. We didn't see a lot of Thanos either. It's an example of you pouting because your guy was crushed by his henchmen.

Paks writing is acceptable. I never said it was not. No, not at all. I never said his work isn't relevant I said his opinion over outcomes he didn't pen is irrelevant. You typing this lame, long drawn out response to cover your inability to understand a fairly simple point is truly hulk like. Hulk smash indeed. Hulk fans, eh ?

His work is evidence which can be used in a debate. Do I have to connect all the dots ? Rhetorical question. I know I have to you're a simple Hulk fan in which one writers opinion takes precedence over all. 😄

I never tried dismissing it. When you start understanding my points you are free to respond. Until then wake up your parents and get the help you need.

1. Thanos doesn't need other powers to beat the Hulk. His durability can tank Thor's attacks unlike Hulk who has been bfr'd before despite being amped with a helper against Thor.

2. Based on ? He might be smarter but his strength has always been dynamic so this is really not proven. Even if it was he never reached levels even approaching power which can even significantly damage Thanos. WW Hulk burned himself out against an out of control Sentry. 😉

3. Thanos has also slapped him around since then like a girl, mind controlled him, punched him away like some minor diversion, and ordered him around like a foot soldier.

Hulk fans:Ignore their on panel interactions and cling to one line in a twenty year old plus comic. 😂

4. We saw lesser beings face him and do fine. Ghost Rider, Juggernaut, Sentry, etc. We have seen Thanos face the Hulk and not even blink. Keep making excuses, gamma boy.

5. Thanos fought Tyrant and Odin before minus shields. Think before you type. Wake up your mom. Quickly. Hurry.

6. Your brain is unintentionally funny.

The rest of your post is a long, sad failed attempt at humor.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
For those watching: That is called owning the guy who is silly enough to assume that a new name is automatically a new person.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Smart move.

"I am glad you agree Paks opinion is irrelevant in forum fights."

This was your reply less than a page ago.

Clearly saying that Pak's writing, of which the entirety of World War Hulk's character concept is composed, ought to be dismissed.

So... I'm sorry, what were you lying about? 😮‍💨

Originally posted by jaxthejester
[B]"I am glad you agree Paks opinion is irrelevant in forum fights."

This was your reply less than a page ago.

Clearly saying that Pak's writing, of which the entirety of World War Hulk's character concept is composed, ought to be dismissed.

So... I'm sorry, what were you lying about? 😮‍💨 [/B]

I never said the comics should be dismissed. You really need a lot of help. How can I get this simple point into your head ?

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't want to pooh pooh on you but you seem to enjoy the turds of Thanos.

Typical insults seeking to hide your inferiority when it comes to debating. Struck a nerve. It happens.

Blah-Blah-Blah

6. Your brain is unintentionally funny.

The rest of your post is a long, sad failed attempt at humor.

"Typical insults seeking to hide your inferiority when it comes to debating. Struck a nerve. It happens."

No, I just don't want you to fling poo at me (odd as the threat was). Fecal matter is revolting, regardless of coloring.

"Pak is the premiere writer of the Hulks claims to fame."
Tell that to Peter David. Or Stan Lee and Roger Stern. All three put pen to paper that Hulk was THE strongest being to ever walk the planet.
They were the giants that Pak added to when he wrote the saga of Planet Hulk.
Pak did not create Hulk's power set. Hulk ALWAYS had infinite power amping potential.
All Pak did was actualize what we already knew from Hulk's bio: The more you hurt him, the more powerful he becomes.

THAT is Hulk's claim to fame. And, in truth, only Stan the man has true claim to it.

"Thanos' greatest feats aren't even from this arc. Not even remotely so. We didn't see a lot of Thanos either. It's an example of you pouting because your guy was crushed by his henchmen."

A). It does not matter what arc his best Feats were from. That was not the point. The point was that you can call ANY writer a fan boy. Pak should not be singled out. I'm not anti-Hickman. He doesn't even matter really. I'm just pointing out that I can could apply your "Pak's opinion should be dismissed" logic to ANY other writer out there- including the writers who contributed to the legacy of Thanos.

B). The incarnation of Hulk that was owned (and I agree- he was owned) by Thanos' henchmen is NOT World War Hulk. It is Waid's "Indestructible Hulk." It is a throw back to early 80's low-powered Savage Hulk.
And it holds NO value what so ever in a debate about World War Hulk.

Try again butter cup.

"Paks writing is acceptable."

Exactly.

"I never said it was not."

Yes, you did. Pak's writing IS his opinion. And you said his opinion had no place in comic debate. You denounced his writing. Do not lie. Accept your bias.

"I said his opinion over outcomes he didn't pen is irrelevant."

No, you didn't. Until now. But it's nice that you got around to making that distinction after I called you out.

Now let's look to your contentions again:

"1. Thanos doesn't need other powers to beat the Hulk. His durability can tank Thor's attacks unlike Hulk who has been bfr'd before despite being amped with a helper against Thor."

BFR is not a defeat. It is a throw away. Hulk can BFR Thanos just as easily as Thanos can BFR Hulk. Neither foe weighs more than the other can lift. This argument is a draw at best.

Outside of BFR- Thor has NEVER knocked out a fully enraged Hulk with a physical attack. In raw hand to hand combat, Hulk has always landed a Draw on Thor or else flat out beat him down with rage and power.

And that is just "normal Savage Hulk." WWHulk was FAR stronger than this.

Don't preach what you don't know.

Thor has only ever dropped Thor by using other powers.
In the realm of physical combat- Hulk reigns supreme.
And against Thanos, this would be no different.

Thanos is all fists here. And fists against WWhulk will do little more than piss him off and make him hit back even harder.

"2. Based on ? He might be smarter but his strength has always been dynamic so this is really not proven. Even if it was he never reached levels even approaching power which can even significantly damage Thanos. WW Hulk burned himself out against an out of control Sentry. 😉"

Sentry destroyed Molecule Man with a thought. He blew apart planets with Genis-Vell without blinking. He stomped a Herald of Galactus in less hits than Thanos (Terrax couldn't even affect him).

Sentry was written by Pak to be a Cosmic Force of Nature.
Stated on panel as being THE most powerful being on the planet at that time.

AND Sentry had ALL of his powers against Hulk. Hulk wasn't just tanking fists. He was directly tanking energy manipulation that can shatter planets. He took on Sentry, fully unleashed, and he still beat him.

With Thanos, all he needs to face is RAW punching power.

That is nothing. Sentry attacked every cell in Hulk's body with titanic cosmic power.

Thanos can only damage a limited amount of area on Hulk with each hit. Namely, the size of his fist.

That is not enough to stop Hulk at this level.

Zom/Strange literally punched Bowling Ball sized holes through the torso of Hulk in this form. That includes obliterating Hulk's spine and internal organs. Hulk was healed within seconds.
What can the mere punches of Thanos do against such a rabid Healing Factor?
The Titan cannot punch fast enough to keep Hulk down.
WWHulk was beyond being dropped by simple striking power.
He was a match for Full Powered Juggernaut.
Thanos would LOSE a punching match with Full Powered Juggernaut. Hulk would simply keep amping and battle him until one of them got bored and walked away.
THAT is the trump WWHulk holds over a powerless Thanos.
Without his massive Energy Manipulation Powers, Thanos is reduced to a simple striker of VERY high level.
But not a higher level than a version of Hulk that is geometrically stronger than his normal self. Stronger than Thor. And growing even stronger by the moment thanks to limitless amping.

"3. Thanos has also slapped him around since then like a girl, mind controlled him, punched him away like some minor diversion, and ordered him around like a foot soldier."

A). Again- Thanos NEVER faced WWhulk. Get it right.
B). Thanos has no powers in this match. So no mind control. So no point.

You're not very good at this, are you? 😕

"Hulk fans:Ignore their on panel interactions and cling to one line in a twenty year old plus comic. 😂 "

Not really. I'm speaking almost solely of WWHulk. And he is not a 20 year old incarnation.

"4. We saw lesser beings face him and do fine. Ghost Rider, Juggernaut, Sentry, etc. We have seen Thanos face the Hulk and not even blink. Keep making excuses, gamma boy."

A). Juggernaut would beat the crap out of Thanos in a purely physical fist fight. He did NO lasting damage at all to WWHulk. In fact, Hulk matched him to almost an exact tie, and healed damage as fast as Juggs could dish it out.

So again- no points for you.

B). Ghost Rider unleashed is Zarathos- a Hell Lord Class being, as powerful as the likes of Mephisto and Blackheart. Zarathos killed roughly a hundred Avatars of Satan himself when fully unleashed.
As Dr. Strange said- Zarathos has limitless Godlike Power.
If you read a bit of Ghost Rider, than you would know that this is a creature that only Heaven can create or destroy.

That said- WWHulk kicked the CRAP out of Ghost Rider in "normal Blaze" form. It was trounce. And Zarathos did not defeat Hulk. He decided not to fight Hulk. That battle never even occurred.

So... yeh, keep on grabbing for straws bud.

5. Thanos fought Tyrant and Odin before minus shields. Think before you type. Wake up your mom. Quickly. Hurry.

And Odin kicked his ass. As did Tyrant.

And for those who say that Thanos can stand up to Galactus... look and learn:

Not. Even. Close.

Thanos is NOT a low end Skyfather. He is not a low end Galactus.

He is a HIGH end Cosmic Foe with incredible resources and cunning.

But when you strip that away, and reduce him to ONLY punches-

He is simply a creature that is half-way between Thor and Odin.

And against a version of Hulk that is multiple times stronger than Thor, and who heals faster than you can damage him with mere punches, Thanos is, at best, going to find a stalemate.

However, when you factor in that Hulk will only keep Amping stronger and stronger- Thanos gets passed up, beat down, and left for purple pudding.

"6. Your brain is unintentionally funny."

It's a gift.

I am a Jester after all. 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the comics are admissible but his opinion on hypothetical matchups is not.

I never said the comics should be dismissed. You really need a lot of help. How can I get this simple point into your head ?

😂

By making it upfront instead of back tracking to break it down.

Pak's writing IS his opinion. He could sketch in anything he chose. It was his prerogative to set Hulk's power level.

And he chose to set it at levels that were geometrically higher than any version of Hulk that Thanos has ever faced before.

Thanos was going to lose to Thor with the Power Gem.
Thanos was going to lose to Champion with the Power Gem.

The ONLY thing that stopped it was Thanos' other powers.

Against WWHulk, Thanos has no other powers.

And WWHulk's Power-Set is virtually identical to Champion with the Power Gem: Namely being FAR beyond standard Thor/Hercules Base Level Strength, and having LIMITLESS amping potential. No stopping point.

When you add in that WWHulk's healing factor could heal entire portions of his body in mere seconds- the outcome of a "fist fight" with WWHulk and Thanos is all but a given.

Thanos gets stomped. By the same punching power that tanked strikes from Zom and from Sentry Unleashed.

Thanos is crippled for this match. And he is facing Hulk at insane levels of power.

The Titan eats it. Face facts and accept the truth. It will set you free. 😮‍💨

A sluggy fest? WWH wins this.

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Outside of BFR- Thor has NEVER knocked out a fully enraged Hulk with a physical attack. In raw hand to hand combat, Hulk has always landed a Draw on Thor or else flat out beat him down with rage and power.

This is not true.

Almost kills Hulk with a hammer strike:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint09BreakingIntoComics2.jpg

Here, he kills Hulk with bare hands, without Mjolnir:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd248/gokijin/ThorHulkThing.jpg?t=1332266979

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
This is not true.

Almost kills Hulk with a hammer strike:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint09BreakingIntoComics2.jpg

Two strikes. And I doubt that flashback was the whole fight. Not even sure how to treat this, tbh - I read that the writer wanted it to be Classic Thor vs Hulk, but that's not what has been drawn by the artist (looks a lot more like Rulk/Modern Thor). I would refrain from using that showing because of that.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Here, he kills Hulk with bare hands, without Mjolnir:

http://forum.playdom.com/showthread.php?90105-Thor-is-well...not-worth-130CP

King Thor...

1 - cant see why This look like Rulk...and the writer confirmed it is Hulk.

2 - He was without Odinforce during that fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Two strikes. And I doubt that flashback was the whole fight. Not even sure how to treat this, tbh - I read that the writer wanted it to be Classic Thor vs Hulk, but that's not what has been drawn by the artist (looks a lot more like Rulk/Modern Thor). I would refrain from using that showing because of that.

King Thor...

👆

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
1 - cant see why This look like Rulk...and the writer confirmed it is Hulk.

2 - He was without Odinforce during that fight.

Non canon, anyway. I might as well use alternate future Superman feats for DCnU Supes - but that would be wrong, no?

No, it is not non canon. Was in Marvel 616.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
No, it is not non canon. Was in Marvel 616.

I guess, in your opinion, that that Thor is exactly the same as current Thor.

Wrong, but its an opinion.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
1 - cant see why This look like Rulk...and the writer confirmed it is Hulk.

2 - He was without Odinforce during that fight.

If it wasn't the WB Hulk why are you bringing it up? How difficult is it to stick to the subject?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
1 - cant see why This look like Rulk...and the writer confirmed it is Hulk.

2 - He was without Odinforce during that fight.

The writer said it was supposed to be Hulk, but the artist failed to show that... it's very vague, I doubt any KMC mod would allow this showing. Looks a lot more like Rulk to me than Hulk to me, tbh.

Yes. It's considered a non-canon fight by most, though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I guess, in your opinion, that that Thor is exactly the same as current Thor.

Wrong, but its an opinion.

Indeed you are correct good sir.
That is non-canon material.

I suppose I should have said this instead:

616 canon/continuity Thor has never knocked out Hulk via raw brute force.
He has always required additional powers.
And even then, the vast majority of their fights (of which there have been well over a dozen) have ended in a draw.

And Thanos still loses. 😎

BTW- I must say my friend, I do like your Banner.
The "Credible Hulk" is a sig line that I've used for some time as well.
There are few things more dangerous than a cerebral Hulk fan in a vs. forum debate. 😮‍💨