Okay, now that I can look back to more info on this page as I break up and retort your stupid, misguided quote:
Originally posted by Nephthys
Palpatine and his cronies are the ones who truly are to blame for this chaos. They blew up Alderaan, Sidious mentally enslaved billions on Byss, Kasyyykk was bombed and the Wookiee's were enslaved as were many other sentients throughout Imperial space. They were monsters.
They are the lesser of two evils.
The Empire needed to do that to maintain peaceful cohesion and cooperation throughout a galaxy-spanning society.
"The Republic didn't even possess the strength or legitimacy to handle a trade dispute on a minor core world, much less an existential threat like the Clone Wars. On the other end of the timeline is the successor regime to the Rebel Alliance, the New Republic.
The New Republic was, like its namesake, a loose confederation of worlds united by common economic ties and a representative body. It maintained a large military, for the purpose of defense and peacekeeping, and was firmly committed to respecting the rights of sentient beings. It was also a complete failure.
For the full 23 years of its existence, the New Republic was beset by division and problems of legitimacy. Consensus was habitually hard to come by, even in times, like the Thrawn crisis, when it was absolutely necessary. Indeed, the New Republic fell precisely because it couldn't muster the cohesion or will to defend itself against the extra-galactic Yuuzhan Vong, despite possessing the combined resources of an entire galaxy.
Now, to me at least, this suggests that a single galactic, representative governing body, no matter how well intentioned, is simply incapable of dealing with such an overwhelming diversity of cultures, viewpoints and agendas (remember, we're talking about trillions of people and tens of thousands of different lifeforms).
If you're committed to something vaguely democratic, the only real option is a galactic confederation, not dissimilar to the Federation in the Star Trek continuity, where each member planet or sector has extremely limited ties to a central "governing" body of limited authority. Of course, there are real threats from within and outside the galaxy, and there is a real need for a centralized authority, if only for collective defense.
In which case, it seems that the only way you could have effective collective defense is by forcing each member planet to provide for a common army and navy, which requires enough force for coercion, which in this context can only be successful if the regime has little respect for rights: i.e. the Empire.
Palpatine was incredibly brutal and evil, but he also understood, correctly, that successful galactic dominion requires the kind of cruelty and brute force that we see on display in the movies. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse into petty-infighting and jealousy."
Yes, the galaxy suffered long term, but you only know about that through hindsight. The Rebels had no way of knowing about the Vong. They cannot be blamed for them.
Their rebellion reestablished the broken system that created a far more profound lack of cohesion, systems breaking apart now that they can, by the time the Vong arrive no one can amass a force great enough to challenge. It should be common sense, even with the Clones provided for the Republic the seceding star systems were able to amass a force great enough to challenge the Republic, they didn't think things would be worse? Especially without a Clone army? No cohesion.
Again, carelessly rushing to take something they no nothing about down - apathetic toward most of the systems, unconcerned about considering the consequences or looking back, well guess, history repeats itself.
ohhhhh nooooooooo not POVERTY! being incompetent is sooooo much worse than being mass-murdering tyrants!
Well, that is why the majority of the systems sympathized with the the Empire.
Are you forgetting that the leaders of the CIS are some of the wealthiest beings in the galaxy? The Trade Federation? Dooku? The Techno Union? The Intergalactic Banking Union? The Commerce Guild? The Corporate Alliance? Noticing a pattern here? >;] The CIS is almost universally portrayed in the Clone Wars material to be made up of nothing more than a bunch of vile, backstabbing opportunists and darkside murderers. They didn't give a shit about the supposed poverty, which I'm sure you're exaggerating, they just wanted more money and power for themselves.
Your listing the upper-class Separatists who could afford to be in the core worlds. When they challenged the Republic, destitute systems flocked to their cause, sheltered them throughout the outer rim territories, the Jedi and the Clones had to carry out a 3 year siege to get through all the systems backing them up.
I'm honestly confused here. Are you seriously arguing that the Empire decreasing poverty and raising the standards of living makes up for their countless crimes against humanity? Are you saying that they're better than people who blow up planets, enslave entire populaces and are literally cackling madmen?
YES, and right now you suck at arguing against that plight.
Sure, which is why so many people were cheering after their defeat in RotJ, right? 😉The Empire was awful. It was a horrible, despotic regime that committed countless atrocities. Theres a reason so many people rebelled and it wasn't because they were violent anarchists.
OK, the Rebels win (at great cost to the Ewoks, and little cost to themslves) and the Empire is defeated, for the moment. Then what happens? Are the Rebels going to leave C3P0 with his new followers? Certainly not – he’s still useful. The Ewoks will just have to find a new god. Sorry about wiping out half of your warriors and leaving you vulnerable to the next hostile bit of megafauna wandering around the forests of Endor – oh, and sorry about destroying your culture’s beliefs about the Deity as part of the plan to cynically exploit, use, and then discard your people – bye, now. We’re off to the big victory party on Coruscant.
Rebellion? What rebellion?
There does not appear to be any popular support for the Rebellion.
This seems a rather bald-faced assertion to make, but my review of the films seems to lend considerable support to the idea. There are a handful of rebels in Episode IV – from the visual evidence of the triumphal scene, a couple of thousand at most. They have built a base from which their ancient and decrepit starfighters apparently raid legitimate commerce to support themselves. A few thousand rebels and a handful of ships, out of a Republic of thousands upon thousands of worlds?
Despite their major victory over the Empire, there does not seem to be any particularly large flocking to the rebel banner in Episode V. Again, we have a handful of rebels building a base in an out-of-the-way place, hoping to avoid detection by law enforcement. The behavior is much more typical of a criminal syndicate than that of a rebel movement that allegedly represents the true feelings of the populace of the Galaxy. With FTL communication and hyperdrive, why have a central base? Why not hide individual ships among the bulk of the citizens on all of these thousands of worlds – swimming in the human and alien sea of bodies? Clearly, because there aren’t any reliably Rebel population pools to hide within. The isolated frontier is the only place where the Rebels are safe from the people who will turn them in to the lawful authority.
When was the last time you saw a black Imperial officer?
I saw tons in TOR.
Oh, so they enslaved black people. Do you have any evidence behind that opinion??
Take your bullshit somewhere else.
Except for species like the Wookiees, who they mass-enslaved. You need to do some research:"However, after the rise of the Empire, slavery was once again given a degree of legitimacy with the issuance of Imperial Decree A-SL-4557.607.232. Non-Humans and Human critics of the New Order alike were rounded up and enslaved en-masse for work on such projects as the Death Star. Agorffi, Wookiees, Yuzzem, and Talz were exploited for their strength while the Mon Calamari and the Givin were used for their famous ship-building skills. Also the Quarren, Chromans, Ugnaughts and Mustafarians were enslaved for their mining skills, the Gamorreans and Gungans were enslaved for military operations and the Kaminoans and Kallidahins for their cloning skills. Meanwhile, the Empire frequently ignored the trade of Twi'lek girls, who were enslaved for their beauty."
You're grasping for straws, you're naming a small groups of a populace, not every species in the galaxy, more like a fraction of a percent (save the Wookies) that were enslaved for the construction of the 1st Death Star.
Yeah man, the Empire was so awesome. 🙄
Okay, let me explain something, when the Empire pumps money into the economy by increasing productivity and work to be done, everyone gets more money. When the galaxy has more money overall, the neighborhoods become nicer, more people can meet their needs, more families can have happy lives. Comprehend?
Um, the millions who died to create their awesome new tech? See above for just a taste.
In contrast to the trillions of lives lost in the Clone Wars? Lmfao get real. YES!!
Wrong. Most of the systems were pro-Rebellion because Empire was just that ****ing awful. After the destruction of the Death Star the Rebellion hugely gained numbers because so many were horrified over the destruction of Alderaan.
Yet you have no evidence to back this up.