Alternative Battle: Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Dooku and Grievous

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anyone saying that Dooku wouldn't be a level 9 is ignorant.

You'd be surprised.

A lot of members here are ignorant. 😉

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Agree with that. And also agree, that Dooku is level 9.

But well, if we are using Gillard's levels as example, then which level are:

Maul (I guess 8)
Opress
Bulq
Jinn
Fisto
?

Maul would be a high 8.

Opress, in technical skill, would be a 7, but is a more effecient fighter than the rest of the Jedi you listed because of his immense strength and raw power.

Bulq would be a low-mid 8.

Jinn would be a high 7.

Fisto would be a low-mid 8.

Is Kenobi high 8 or mid 8?

He would be high 8. Also, Bulq and Fisto would be more of mid-8's than low-8's probably.

And the difference between low 8 and high 8 is smaller then between high 8 and low 9?

No, the opposite probably. Or equal difference depending on where you rank the characters.

I hate these "levels" of lightsaber mastery. Who invented that shit? Stupid.

Nick Gillard, lol.

As far as I know, Gillard is not an actual authority or a canon source:

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
That's Nick Gilliard stuff. He's not a definitive authority and is simply giving his opinion. This is the same guy who couldn't tell you what Vaapad is without Google.

His opinion shouldn't count if contradicted, but if it isn't, I don't see why he hasn't got the authority, just like I don't see how Karpyshan doesn't have authority to explain Vitiate's telepathic limits or Luceno not having authority to say that Plagueis would beat Sidious in a fight.

What an idiot. Attempting to define how good a combatant is wielding a lightsaber with levels as if the whole SW universe was a videogame or something. Good thing he doesn't hold canon authority.

He was talking to Lucas about the levels though. He didn't just make them up himself. Although the whole idea of levels was probably Gillard's idea.

Isn't he just the fight choreographer for the PT movies? I don't see why that would give him any canon authority. >:T

It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas agreed with that idea tho.

Saying Nick Gilliard is a valid authority on saber levels by virtue of being a fight choreographer is like saying the small asian who animates Sidious' lightning is a valid authority on Sidious' lightning level or Force power. It's just his opinion and in the end he does whatever GL tells him to do.

Nick Gilliard has also expressedly either disavowed EU forms from Fightsaber etc. or simply remained ignorant to them.

Neph, Grievous has magnetic heels. Even if we assume he is being tugged, (and there's not strong enough evidence to assume Obi would do a weak tug anyways) resisting by virtue of magnetic feet isn't a strong indicator of anything but having... magnetic feet. If Obi fights Grievous on wood floors or a sand arena, that's moot anyways and he can't defend himself by virtue of being a 1337 muggle.

Back to the match, I still reassert that Obi-Wan is too much for Grevous. The general may have gotten some swipes in but when Obi brings Force to bear he just loses it and runs. I imagine even Anakin could defeat him or similarly use TK to chase him off.

Since he choreographs the fights, he needs to know the disparity between the fighters. Still not seeing why they aren't valid.

Um, of course, lol. How did you think I thought he was resisting him? Through the magic of friendship?

Obi-Wan may be superior, but will you at least admit that GG is a legit threat to him?

And since the asian tech stereotype guy needs to determine how bright, large, loud and persistent Sids' lightning is, the same logic applies.

An authotitative figure is GL in this case, since he leans over in his director chair and tells Nick what happens next. Nick's job is just to make it fast, fun and safe.