Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't matter since all already conceded it was he who did so. I don't concede that Midna did so. This isn't the first time Scen went bonkers due to being outdebated.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=531409&pagenumber=3#post12735954
Originally post by quanchi112
Without Zelda using the light spirits to aid Link against Ganondorf he was screwed. That's a plot event as well. I am the threadstarter and they see him which you agreed on so if you don't like it that doesn't mean it will change.Their battle destroyed the castle and he was unscathed. That's actually what happened so the guy's a major player and the he's chosen by the gods to represent basically, power.
This isn't the first time you've outdebated yourself.
Originally posted by The ScenarioHow does that go against anything I just said in this thread ?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=531409&pagenumber=3#post12735954This isn't the first time you've outdebated yourself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You agreed it did but you can pretend he did not do so. It goes with your anti Transformer ways. Fine by me.
You seriously gotta lay off those drugs man, They be messing with your mind.
You made 2 assumptions right away, and then failed to even address the point. The fact that you are trying to discredit a legit feat on one side of your face, then pretend that the very logic that makes your case work no longer applies when it is your side under the microscope is a gigantic double standard. You do realise this right, how hypocritical this makes your current stance? Why does the logic only apply to their side, but not yours Quan, legit question. because even if they admitted it before, the very fact that the logic you are using can turn against you is not discarded.
Oh, and just so you know, I happen to be the biggest Gen 1 fan you'll ever know, but being a fan is not incumbent on me to support a Gen 1 character if I know they lose. I'm not so conceited that I think my faves can't lose. That's the mark of a trollish fanboy, like yourself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How does that go against anything I just said in this thread ?
1. You have stated that Ganondorf was beaten by, and I quote, "a child who had a sword for a few weeks."
Whereas in that quote you claimed that without the Light Spirit's help, Link was screwed. Contradiction.
2. "Their battle destroyed the castle and he was unscathed. That's actually what happened so the guy's a major player and the he's chosen by the gods to represent basically, power."
You have used Ganondorf's castle tanking in a thread before. Good job.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroMore time had passed and the camera panned away to a completely different scene. The circumstances have always been vastly different.
You seriously gotta lay off those drugs man, They be messing with your mind.You made 2 assumptions right away, and then failed to even address the point. The fact that you are trying to discredit a legit feat on one side of your face, then pretend that the very logic that makes your case work no longer applies when it is your side under the microscope is a gigantic double standard. You do realise this right, how hypocritical this makes your current stance? Why does the logic only apply to their side, but not yours Quan, legit question. because even if they admitted it before, the very fact that the logic you are using can turn against you is not discarded.
Oh, and just so you know, I happen to be the biggest Gen 1 fan you'll ever know, but being a fan is not incumbent on me to support a Gen 1 character if I know they lose. I'm not so conceited that I think my faves can't lose. That's the mark of a trollish fanboy, like yourself.
You're a hater and believe any magician can best Transformers. It sickens Cybertron.
Originally posted by quanchi112
More time had passed and the camera panned away to a completely different scene. The circumstances have always been vastly different.
Irrelevant to the factn that we don't know who fired the 2nd shot on the observatory, since we don't see the shot being fired by Megs, could be anyone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're a hater and believe any magician can best Transformers. It sickens Cybertron.
You put words in my mouth right there. I never said any magic user. It's a bit like Superman's vulnerability, in that he is no more durable to it than the common man is. His invulnerabilities get circumvented by magic. The Cybertronian's technology is centered around fighting wars on a technological scale, not a magical one.
Another way of putting it is this: Do you think Megatron would kill Voldemort, or even Thanos?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI believe it was Megatron. Do you disagree ? My beliefs don't change whereas both of yours do depending on who you are debating against.
Irrelevant to the factn that we don't know who fired the 2nd shot on the observatory, since we don't see the shot being fired by Megs, could be anyone.You put words in my mouth right there. I never said any magic user. It's a bit like Superman's vulnerability, in that he is no more durable to it than the common man is. His invulnerabilities get circumvented by magic. The Cybertronian's technology is centered around fighting wars on a technological scale, not a magical one.
Another way of putting it is this: Do you think Megatron would kill Voldemort, or even Thanos?
Completely untrue. Superman doesn't lose against anyone just because they possess magic.
The Hylians are schooled in magic not technological weapons by your own logic aka fusion cannon wins.
Off topic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I believe it was Megatron. Do you disagree ? My beliefs don't change whereas both of yours do depending on who you are debating against.
I don't argue based on belief. I argue based on facts. The facts of your logic dictate that since we don't see Megatron fire the 2nd shot, we cannot prove it was his shot that did the damage, true or false?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Completely untrue. Superman doesn't lose against anyone just because they possess magic.
I would say he gets curtailed far worse by magic than he does against nukes or even supernovae and black holes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Hylians are schooled in magic not technological weapons by your own logic aka fusion cannon wins.
Incorrect. Technological advancement is based and generated by a set of principals rooted in physics. Magic has the capacity to ALTER physics, and thus are bound by less rules.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Off topic.
It is related, because that question will give us a yardstick of where you rate Megatron in relation to magical capability. Once I have the general yardstick, I'll know at what point you think magic overcomes Megatron's technological superiority.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThe second shot was fired right after and there wasn't a lapse like in he Midna feat.
I don't argue based on belief. I argue based on facts. The facts of your logic dictate that since we don't see Megatron fire the 2nd shot, we cannot prove it was his shot that did the damage, true or false?I would say he gets curtailed far worse by magic than he does against nukes or even supernovae and black holes.
Incorrect. Technological advancement is based and generated by a set of principals rooted in physics. Magic has the capacity to ALTER physics, and thus are bound by less rules.
It is related, because that question will give us a yardstick of where you rate Megatron in relation to magical capability. Once I have the general yardstick, I'll know at what point you think magic overcomes Megatron's technological superiority.
Incorrect. Bodies and resistances are based on what bodies develop immunities against due to frequency. They have never seen technology based power just magical power. The same logic applies to both but the magic is far weaker and Megatrons power is far stronger.
It is off topic. I won't break the rules for you, monster.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The second shot was fired right after and there wasn't a lapse like in he Midna feat.
Except the 3 second delay between the shots, plus the fact that there were several Decepticons in the air at the time. Could have been any one of them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Incorrect. Bodies and resistances are based on what bodies develop immunities against due to frequency. They have never seen technology based power just magical power. The same logic applies to both but the magic is far weaker and Megatrons power is far stronger.
You are once again dictating terms rather than outlaying a point. That's already breaking the rules.
if you want to go by that route, then the logic is that Megatron's fusion canon fires energy blasts, Magical energy is still energy, and thus is just as succeptible to magical defences as it is to Trailbreaker's forcefields. Conversely, Megatron's fusion blasts would also be equally as succeptible to a magical defence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is off topic. I won't break the rules for you, monster.
Look above. You already broke a rule by dictating terms. Not to mention you've done it hundreds of times before.
But if you don't want to give us a measure, that's fine. Concession accepted.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThat is fine if you don't believe Megatron did so. You can never claim to be a Transformers fan again, treacherous cur.
Except the 3 second delay between the shots, plus the fact that there were several Decepticons in the air at the time. Could have been any one of them.You are once again dictating terms rather than outlaying a point. That's already breaking the rules.
if you want to go by that route, then the logic is that Megatron's fusion canon fires energy blasts, Magical energy is still energy, and thus is just as succeptible to magical defences as it is to Trailbreaker's forcefields. Conversely, Megatron's fusion blasts would also be equally as succeptible to a magical defence.
Look above. You already broke a rule by dictating terms. Not to mention you've done it hundreds of times before.
But if you don't want to give us a measure, that's fine. Concession accepted.
Magical energy is not the same as regular energy ie. it is magical. You are really trying hard to come at my beloved Transformers.
No, I gave you my term. Quit crying because I am disagreeing with the number one hater of my Transformers.
You are attempting to break the rules. Make another thread, David Copperfield.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is fine if you don't believe Megatron did so. You can never claim to be a Transformers fan again, treacherous cur.
You don't decide who is or is not a fan Quan. You have no authority, so keep on clowning, and I get a laugh at your fanboyish expense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Magical energy is not the same as regular energy ie. it is magical. You are really trying hard to come at my beloved Transformers.
No, judging by your own line, you evoked the equivelancy rule. You can't have it both ways Quan, either the magic works as it's supposed to, or it's just as valid a defence as the technology it is facing. In which case only the power output is a deciding factor. and since Ganon survived a castle popping explosion at ground zero, and Megatron's fusion cannon never came close to that anywhere in gen 1, you are out of excuses.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I gave you my term. Quit crying because I am disagreeing with the number one hater of my Transformers.
You don't get to dictate terms Quan. You either debate in an honest and fair manner, or you get ridiculed like a chump. If you had debated fairly and honestly throughout your KMC career, you would not be known as the forum idiot like you are now.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are attempting to break the rules. Make another thread, David Copperfield.
You already broke them, several hundred times. AND, my question is not breaking any rule as long as we don't go off on the tangent. Like I said, it's a measuring stick. If you don't want to use names, or if you want me to rephrase, that's fine, but a stubborn refusal to give a measurement of where you think Megatron stacks against general magic use, then I'm sorry, but that is a direct refusal to answer a pertinent question regarding a debate against a Magic user. You have conceded this point, and you must now cease claiming I said any magic user can beat Megatron, because that is quite simply untrue, and a horrid misrepresentation of what I actually said.
Keep it up, and that Ush report can still follow Quan. Your on a short leash.