Megatron (gen 1 cartoon) vs. Ganondorf (TP)

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, I noticed toward the start of the thread you had asked repeatedly for that particular clip, and lo and behold, Quan couldn't deliver or hell, even aknowlege the request.

So, after seeing these, what is your opinion Scream?

How do transformers react to lightning/extreme temperatures?

That said, Ganondorf has other means of dealing with enemies. How's Megatron's resistance to exotic powers like polymorphing/soul manip? Do sparks count as souls? I'm not nearly as brushed up on Transformers as I should be considering my appreciation of some of Hasbro's material. coughsig/avicough.

Annnnd, Megatron still lacks a way to deal with Ganondorf's own durability let alone his immortality. So, that's my current stance on things.

Spoiler:
Luna or Celestia would rapestomp Megs though. Hue.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not actually sure. Optimus is plainly much stronger than I originally thought, I'm not sure what to make of the explosion, though, it seems like a bit of an outlier. shrug Still, it seems like Megatron is not in fact being crumpled up like any sort of paper ball. Ganondorf would need to work hard to take out someone durable enough to survive an explosion that moves a small moon with physical damage, but he may still have the tools.

Well, Megs is as versatile as much as he is durable, but as I said, Magic is an out of context problem for Megs, infact, high end magic users can figuratively f**k over Grimlock like what happened in season 3 episode "Madman's Paradise". And even Merlin curbed 5 Decepticons in "A Decepticon in King Arthur's Court".

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How do transformers react to lightning/extreme temperatures?

The first clip actually demonstrates high end lightning damage and control by the Insecticon Shrapnel. As for high intensity heat, well it is a bit more of a mystery, as several times the Dinobots flame weapons work fairly well in melting down things like Tanks, but things like an Oil Rig fire didn't do much at all in MTMTE2

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That said, Ganondorf has other means of dealing with enemies. How's Megatron's resistance to exotic powers like polymorphing/soul manip? Do sparks count as souls? I'm not nearly as brushed up on Transformers as I should be considering my appreciation of some of Hasbro's material. coughsig/avicough.

The Spark is the equivelant of a Cybertronian soul, but it works very differently from one. For one, it is actually substantiable and observable. Polymorphing I am less sure about.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Annnnd, Megatron still lacks a way to deal with Ganondorf's own durability let alone his immortality. So, that's my current stance on things.

The Fusion Cannon when black hole powered is pretty over the top, but that's from the comic and toybox descriptions mostly. Outside of that, you won't get Megs beyond mountain busting at the VERY highest.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Spoiler:
Luna or Celestia would rapestomp Megs though. Hue.

I believe you.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Heh, I knew Quan was too prideful to give kudos to a guy who proves his sides case better than he does...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link also overpwoed Fyrus while explcirtiyl so weak heèd shame OoT Link, whom Ganon was strogner than.

You siad MEgatron was stronger than the MAster Sword.

The Ligth arrows are above the Ice arrows which froze a volcano. Also, rdo not misconstrue MEgatronès cliff face wrecking for mountain busting, thetèd be lying.

Yes, he is as evidenced by the clip I posted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit riding my coattails.

Quick question, how am I riding your cattails, when I am the one with the evidence? Are you that much of an egomaniac that you can't give props? What are you, 3?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Quick question, how am I riding your cattails, when I am the one with the evidence? Are you that much of an egomaniac that you can't give props? What are you, 3?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I posted one clip which more than sufficiently proved Megatron wins. You realized I already won and attached yourself to my winning sails.

Incorrect, your blathering only demonstrates your total lack of understanding reguarding Dorf's durability and capabilities, plus you neglected to even mention the Transformers general lack of undertstanding of Magic and particular vulnerabilities to it. In Gen 1, both instances of direct exposure to magic have completely screwed over Cybertronians. You however completely lack the understanding of any research, as is your usual MO, and decided to completely foam at the mouth like a retard reject.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Incorrect, your blathering only demonstrates your total lack of understanding reguarding Dorf's durability and capabilities, plus you neglected to even mention the Transformers general lack of undertstanding of Magic and particular vulnerabilities to it. In Gen 1, both instances of direct exposure to magic have completely screwed over Cybertronians. You however completely lack the understanding of any research, as is your usual MO, and decided to completely foam at the mouth like a retard reject.

All magic is different. Cite the episode where anyone uses an ability like Dorf uses in combat. I mean wtf. Megatron wins with a single blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At no point does Dorf ever resist a blade in the game which is considerably weaker than Megatrons cannon. The master sword can be blocked and parried for crying out loud.

That does nothing to stop it from being magical, not specifically designed to mitigate the misuse of the Triforce. It is tailor made to fight Ganondorf, anyone with an inkling of knowlege of LOZ lore knows these facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All magic is different. Cite the episode where anyone uses an ability like Dorf uses in combat. I mean wtf. Megatron wins with a single blast.

Except that in both instances when magic is used, the TFs got screwed. Megatron is no more accustomed to magical attacks than Starscream is. And definitely no more durable than Grimlock or Magnus.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That does nothing to stop it from being magical, not specifically designed to mitigate the misuse of the Triforce. It is tailor made to fight Ganondorf, anyone with an inkling of knowlege of LOZ lore knows these facts.

Except that in both instances when magic is used, the TFs got screwed. Megatron is no more accustomed to magical attacks than Starscream is. And definitely no more durable than Grimlock or Magnus.

Not all magic is created equal nor do you have a point. Megatron kills him. He blasts him into oblivion. What magical attack that Dorf possesses wins this for him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same blade can be parried by any blade. Dorf was defeated prior to the master sword being introduced. Dorf was chained, abused, and defeated by the sages twice in battle.

TP only, as per your own twisted rules. And so what? That does not mean that the blade is some mundane peice of metal either. Your point is null and void. You can't claim a plot device weapon is the same as a mundane sword based on the fact that it can be parried by another blade and then ignore it's actual purpose like a clown.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not all magic is created equal nor do you have a point. Megatron kills him. He blasts him into oblivion. What magical attack that Dorf possesses wins this for him ?

Are you ever going to actually prove this? Because hr one weapon proven to actually do anything to him in any meaningful way was designed to do so via plot. Nothing mundane has actually harmed him. It has always been highly magically enchanted, or plot driven.

Midna hit Ganon with a magic spear and achieved nothing.

The best destructive feat for Meg's gun so far is collapsing a cliff face, far beneath Midna, and Megs lacks the magic necessary to overcome Ganon's built in immortality.

I'm not sure what grounds Quan believes Megatron wins on.

Megatron doesn't use a sword, so that point is irrelevant. The last time Ganondorf was hit by a blast it destroyed a castle and he was unharmed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
TP only, as per your own twisted rules. And so what? That does not mean that the blade is some mundane peice of metal either. Your point is null and void. You can't claim a plot device weapon is the same as a mundane sword based on the fact that it can be parried by another blade and then ignore it's actual purpose like a clown.

Are you ever going to actually prove this? Because hr one weapon proven to actually do anything to him in any meaningful way was designed to do so via plot. Nothing mundane has actually harmed him. It has always been highly magically enchanted, or plot driven.

He has never faced off against anything as powerful as Megatron's canon. He can't even heal from year old wounds and has a hole in his body because of it.

Megatron decimates him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Midna hit Ganon with a magic spear and achieved [b]nothing.

The best destructive feat for Meg's gun so far is collapsing a cliff face, far beneath Midna, and Megs lacks the magic necessary to overcome Ganon's built in immortality.

I'm not sure what grounds Quan believes Megatron wins on. [/B]

The clip I posted. 🙂

Originally posted by The Scenario
Megatron doesn't use a sword, so that point is irrelevant. The last time Ganondorf was hit by a blast it destroyed a castle and he was unharmed.

Speculative nonsense and chain reaction if anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both blades injured him. Both cut right into his skin. Ms prevented him from resisting the effects whereas the first blade still had a glaring wound ripe for exploitation.

So, a wound from before TOP. Right. Does he have the TOP here or not?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has never faced off against anything as powerful as Megatron's canon. He can't even heal from year old wounds and has a hole in his body because of it.

Not a hole, you blithering moron.

And Mdna's spear caused more destruction than the Fusion Canon ever did. It would take Amps, or Galvatron's near planet busting levels to match or exceed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Megatron decimates him.

Speculation and subjective opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cmaster has always bailed you out. You're mentally weak and rely on others to debate for you.

Name & quote 1 time this has occurred. CM hasn't posted in nearly 2 years here on KMC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they did cut him in a meaningful fashion since the wound never completely healed. It was stated in the game while he was in beast form that his wound was still a weakness. You are ignorant.

Addressed above

Originally posted by quanchi112
The clip I posted. It isn't magical energy which Dorf seems more resistant to than magical energy.

Double edged sword, Megs has no means od defending against magical attacks, & Dorf has shown more general energy resistance than megs has short of the Orbit breaker blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Master sword didn't allow him to resist but both swords really hurt him. He never fully recovered from the initial impaling as stated in the game.

before TOP, as previously stated. It's not a vulnerability Megs can exploit openly either, unless h e plans to melee with someone no bigger than his ankles.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So, a wound from before TOP. Right. Does he have the TOP here or not?

Not a hole, you blithering moron.

And Mdna's spear caused more destruction than the Fusion Canon ever did. It would take Amps, or Galvatron's near planet busting levels to match or exceed.

Speculation and subjective opinion.

Name & quote 1 time this has occurred. CM hasn't posted in nearly 2 years here on KMC.

Addressed above

Double edged sword, Megs has no means od defending against magical attacks, & Dorf has shown more general energy resistance than megs has short of the Orbit breaker blast.

before TOP, as previously stated. It's not a vulnerability Megs can exploit openly either, unless h e plans to melee with someone no bigger than his ankles.

What magical attacks will win this ? Answer the question. Pm Cmaster or ask your parents. Actually debate for a change.

Megatron puts a huge hold in his body he cannot recover from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Completely untrue. Fusion canon has a undeniable, immediate collateral damage feat unlike the chain reaction speculative one by Midna. The top can't heal wounds only resist them to a point. He was 1-2 in resisting sword strikes but at no point did his skin laugh one off.

You still have not gotten the feat. The Observation post feat for the Fusion canon is every bit as much a chain reaction as Midna's spear going by your wanktastic logic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What magical attacks will win this ? Answer the question. Pm Cmaster or ask your parents. Actually debate for a change.

I could use your excuse and say "Go play the game and find out."

But I am a much bigger person than you. Dorf has multiple energy manipulation feats, including large scale energy and lightning manipulation. Polymorph. Twilight manip, Dimensional BFR, and other things including flight and teleportation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Megatron puts a huge hold in his body he cannot recover from.

He wouldn't even be able to grab the guy before the teleport shifts him

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You still have not gotten the feat. The Observation post feat for the Fusion canon is every bit as much a chain reaction as Midna's spear going by your wanktastic logic.

I could use your excuse and say "Go play the game and find out."

But I am a much bigger person than you. Dorf has multiple energy manipulation feats, including large scale energy and lightning manipulation. Polymorph. Twilight manip, Dimensional BFR, and other things including flight and teleportation.

He wouldn't even be able to grab the guy before the teleport shifts him

Again you didn't say anything that proves he can defeat Megatron with in combat.

Why not ? Ganondorf couldn't even grab Link and Zelda when they magically warped away. Dorf was reduced to a sword fight in which he failed against someone with a few weeks experience in a fair sword fight.