Megatron (gen 1 cartoon) vs. Ganondorf (TP)

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was immediate. Midna's happened off screen over 7 seconds later. That isn't immediate.

Do you even know what a chain reaction is, Quan?

Basic physics lesson for you. If the explosion from Megatron's fusion cannon did not consume the entire cliff face and disintegrate it, then it's crumbling is a direct chain reaction caused by the blast. If that same shot struck bare ground, then all you'd get is a small crater. not a mountainsides worth of scorched earth.

The reason the castle collapse took longer was because the area of destruction caused by the spear is far larger.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again you didn't say anything that proves he can defeat Megatron with in combat.

Megatron survives BFRs? Since when?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why not ? Ganondorf couldn't even grab Link and Zelda when they magically warped away. Dorf was reduced to a sword fight in which he failed against someone with a few weeks experience in a fair sword fight.

Because Zelda's teleport is not linked to Dorf's in any way? A person teleporting is not equivelant to being able to intercept someone elses teleport.

Link, who was equipped with the tool specifically tailored to defeating Dorf outright, not to mention had the backing of the Sages, the Gods, and the majority of the completed Triforce. That's not something you just brush off. I'll admit, it is jury rigged, but none the less, Link is no ordinary foe.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Do you even know what a chain reaction is, Quan?

Basic physics lesson for you. If the explosion from Megatron's fusion cannon did not consume the entire cliff face and disintegrate it, then it's crumbling is a direct chain reaction caused by the blast. If that same shot struck bare ground, then all you'd get is a small crater. not a mountainsides worth of scorched earth.

The reason the castle collapse took longer was because the area of destruction caused by the spear is far larger.

Megatron survives BFRs? Since when?

Because Zelda's teleport is not linked to Dorf's in any way? A person teleporting is not equivelant to being able to intercept someone elses teleport.

Link, who was equipped with the tool specifically tailored to defeating Dorf outright, not to mention had the backing of the Sages, the Gods, and the majority of the completed Triforce. That's not something you just brush off. I'll admit, it is jury rigged, but none the less, Link is no ordinary foe.

Link defeated him through skill. He overpowered him and lodged the sword into him. Had Dorf have stabbed Link he would have won but he was not skilled enough to do so. The top makes Dorf a very sloppy fighter. He lost straight up to Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is we don't know if it was just her attack or if it hit a key pivotal structure which caused the entire castle to fall. Dorf never bfr'd anyone. Dorf has been bfr'd though in combat. 😂

No Quan. We see the attack strike Dorf, then we see the castle collapse, and we see nothing the attack struck anything else but Dorf, so the fact that you have to reach so far into speculative territory means you have not the evidence to suggest it is anything else bar what was shown.

You don't seem to know what a BFR is...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link defeated him through skill. He overpowered him and lodged the sword into him. Had Dorf have stabbed Link he would have won but he was not skilled enough to do so. The top makes Dorf a very sloppy fighter. He lost straight up to Link.

Are you saying Link is not skilled? Because despite all the advantages I listed before, you are still claiming Link is a normal foe, when he clearly is beyond the pale.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No Quan. We see the attack strike Dorf, then we see the castle collapse, and we see nothing the attack struck anything else but Dorf, so the fact that you have to reach so far into speculative territory means you have not the evidence to suggest it is anything else bar what was shown.

You don't seem to know what a BFR is...

Are you saying Link is not skilled? Because despite all the advantages I listed before, you are still claiming Link is a normal foe, when he clearly is beyond the pale.

Banished from realm/region whatever which happened when the Sages crushed him again.

Link had a few weeks experience and is pathetic by comparison to someone on Kratos' level. I guess you are easily impressed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Too much time passes so we don't know what else occurred. The castle doesn't go down immediately so it is speculative at best.

Nothing else is evidenced, so unless you are adding in entirely new speculatives to try to compensate, then there is nothing else it could be. Can you prove anything else caused it? As I said, the time dilation could be because the castle area was so big.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Banished from realm/region whatever which happened when the Sages crushed him again.

And? Ganon has done this with the twilight effect along with the TOP numerous times in the series. Including TP. In an absolute sense, since OOT, he has done this not only with Twilight, but also with Time Manip as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link had a few weeks experience and is pathetic by comparison to someone on Kratos' level. I guess you are easily impressed.

Ok, this is getting really weird now. Firstly, what the f**k does Kratos have to do with ANY of this at all?

Second, Link may well develop his swordplay very quickly compared to the average mortal.

Third, even if we don't take #2 into account, you can't ignore his amps, which are part of his usual power set and are innate.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nothing else is evidenced, so unless you are adding in entirely new speculatives to try to compensate, then there is nothing else it could be. Can you prove anything else caused it? As I said, the time dilation could be because the castle area was so big.

And? Ganon has done this with the twilight effect along with the TOP numerous times in the series. Including TP. In an absolute sense, since OOT, he has done this not only with Twilight, but also with Time Manip as well.

Ok, this is getting really weird now. Firstly, what the f**k does Kratos have to do with ANY of this at all?

Second, Link may well develop his swordplay very quickly compared to the average mortal.

Third, even if we don't take #2 into account, you can't ignore his amps, which are part of his usual power set and are innate.

Again, Dorf never once does in combat. You are trolling. In combat he fires weak lightning blasts, uses a weak sword, and rides a silly horse. I'd love to see him morph into beast form up against Megatron.

Link didn't of anything impressive and neither did Dorf. Two idiots having a lame sword fight isn't proof of his skill.

I am not ignoring his amps. He never healed from the wound despite his amp which is a huge glaring weakness nor did his skill level resemble anything even close to being respectable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The burden is on you since it is your claim. Its speculation at best. Not solid evidence like my Megatron feat.

Your the one adding the speculation to an established scene, not I. The scene itself is not open to interpretation, but you are simply grasping for straws.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Dorf never once does in combat. You are trolling. In combat he fires weak lightning blasts, uses a weak sword, and rides a silly horse. I'd love to see him morph into beast form up against Megatron.

Prove my attempts to debate are trolling.

Again, Megatron has no defence. and Dorf did this to entire armies and the dimension they were in. Unlike Link who has the TOC's protection, and the Master Sword reinforcing it.

You've never played a LOZ Game, like at all, if all you can do is dribble pure lies. You never even addressed any of the other abilities I listed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link didn't of anything impressive and neither did Dorf. Two idiots having a lame sword fight isn't proof of his skill.

If both are unskilled idiots despite their feats, then how can you possibly quantify what their skill level actually is? What you just stated is a complete oxymoron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not ignoring his amps. He never healed from the wound despite his amp which is a huge glaring weakness nor did his skill level resemble anything even close to being respectable.

The amps I was referring to were Link's... Do try to follow a chain of thought please...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your the one adding the speculation to an established scene, not I. The scene itself is not open to interpretation, but you are simply grasping for straws.

Prove my attempts to debate are trolling.

Again, Megatron has no defence. and Dorf did this to entire armies and the dimension they were in. Unlike Link who has the TOC's protection, and the Master Sword reinforcing it.

You've never played a LOZ Game, like at all, if all you can do is dribble pure lies. You never even addressed any of the other abilities I listed.

If both are unskilled idiots despite their feats, then how can you possibly quantify what their skill level actually is? What you just stated is a complete oxymoron.

The amps I was referring to were Link's... Do try to follow a chain of thought please...

What has Dorf done in combat that Megatron cannot account for ? Lightning blasts which can't even really hurt a small nerd such as Link please. What sword feats does Dorf have to prove his sword can cut mighty Megatron ?

He never did half the things you claimed while in combat. Burden is on you.

What feats prove they are skilled ? The reason I say this is because neither have skilled feats. Prove it.

Link did not have an amp. He has skill sufficient enough to impale Dorf which he could not recover from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Since a decent amount of time passed and we did not see everything it is speculative at best. Your burden but you concede so I will move on.

Incorrect. This is the way it works.

Claim 1 by Scream and Scenario: Minda's spear knocked down the castle when it struck Dorf. Scene shows the spear striking Dorf, then the castle collapses. Thus proving Dorf's durability. Claim 1 meets the burden of proof.

Claim 2, by yourself: Something could have happened in the few seconds between the spear impact and the castle collapsing. Speculative and no evidence supplied by yourself to prove anything else happened to cause the castle collapse. Claim unsupported and disgarded until legitimate evidence is supplied.

The onus is not on our side to prove a negative. We do not have to prove anything else did not happen, you have to prove something else did happen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What has Dorf done in combat that Megatron cannot account for ? Lightning blasts which can't even really hurt a small nerd such as Link please. What sword feats does Dorf have to prove his sword can cut mighty Megatron ?

Who says Dorf has to use a sword? His magics are sufficient. and lightning has thrown back Cybertronians as powerful as Optimus Prime. Not to mention lightning is far from the only attack method Dorf as used.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He never did half the things you claimed while in combat. Burden is on you.

Are you saying he cannot do them? You sure do like to color debates to suit yourself. This is far from the only time you've restricted power sets for one side and not the other.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What feats prove they are skilled ? The reason I say this is because neither have skilled feats. Prove it.

Define what you consider a skill feat first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link did not have an amp. He has skill sufficient enough to impale Dorf which he could not recover from.

Link had several amps, and I've already listed them.

Chain reactions throw debris up now?

Really, this castle did not collapse. It exploded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well ?

I am Megatron!!!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Incorrect. This is the way it works.

Claim 1 by Scream and Scenario: Minda's spear knocked down the castle when it struck Dorf. Scene shows the spear striking Dorf, then the castle collapses. Thus proving Dorf's durability. Claim 1 meets the burden of proof.

Claim 2, by yourself: Something could have happened in the few seconds between the spear impact and the castle collapsing. Speculative and no evidence supplied by yourself to prove anything else happened to cause the castle collapse. Claim unsupported and disgarded until legitimate evidence is supplied.

The onus is not on our side to prove a negative. We do not have to prove anything else did not happen, you have to prove something else did happen.

Who says Dorf has to use a sword? His magics are sufficient. and lightning has thrown back Cybertronians as powerful as Optimus Prime. Not to mention lightning is far from the only attack method Dorf as used.

Are you saying he cannot do them? You sure do like to color debates to suit yourself. This is far from the only time you've restricted power sets for one side and not the other.

Define what you consider a skill feat first.

Link had several amps, and I've already listed them.

You never proved that it was brought it down. You just believe so but since the camera pans away and time passes it is anyone's guess.

So you agree nothing Dorf uses can hurt Megatron here.

We do this based on how these characters fight not based on powersets.

Some sort of extremely difficult sword feat or feats to establish a high skill level.

Link had no amps. He had gear. That is all.

Originally posted by The Scenario

Chain reactions throw debris up now?

Really, this castle did not collapse. It exploded.

Well done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Time had passed before it collapses. Undeniable. Speculation.

False. The above .gif shows the explosion happening instantly.

You never proved that it was brought it down. You just believe so but since the camera pans away and time passes it is anyone's guess.

False. See again: the .gif proving you wrong.

Link had no amps. He had gear. That is all.

False. Link had the Triforce of Courage as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Really, this clip hurts your case more than anything. If it exploded all these seconds later you have proven the Midna attack was not the reason.

Well done.

False. It explicitly proves that Midna's attack destroyed the castle, as it shares the color and effects of her previous attack with the spear.

Try again.

Changes nothing, Megatron wins

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/th_Ganondorfcastletank1_zps584821d5.gif

False. The above .gif shows the explosion happening instantly.

False. See again: the .gif proving you wrong.

False. Link had the Triforce of Courage as well.

So you believe he needs the Triforce of courage to amp his courage. Fine.

😂

Originally posted by The Scenario
False. It explicitly proves that Midna's attack destroyed the castle, as it shares the color and effects of her previous attack with the spear.

Try again.

Originally posted by Supra
Changes nothing, Megatron wins

I disagree. Why do you think Megatron wins?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since time passed when he teleported there. It was not instantaneous.

Who teleported there? Link and Zelda were transported long before the attack, and Ganondorf clearly appeared after it. Further, the explosion was indeed instantaneous.

So you believe he needs the Triforce of courage to amp his courage. Fine.

That isn't what the Triforce of Courage does. Have you played Twilight Princess?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it doesn't you actually proved it wasn't the attack since you believe it is immediate after seconds passed.

We plainly see that the explosion was quick, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by The Scenario
I disagree. Why do you think Megatron wins?

Who teleported there? Link and Zelda were transported long before the attack, and Ganondorf clearly appeared after it. Further, the explosion was indeed instantaneous.

That isn't what the Triforce of Courage does. Have you played Twilight Princess?

We plainly see that the explosion was quick, what are you talking about?

Yes, I have. When in the game is the Toc stated as amping his power.

All those seconds later when we next see Dorf proves you erased any idea it was immediately.