Originally posted by Golgo13
The most powerful Mandrakk.
That would be the 1st then. But my problem with Mandrakk is that he was a threat to 52 universes-wide multiverse.
Though i can understand why people rank him so high, when they take into account the meta textual tone set for the story (that only superman's story can beat Mandrakk) -- something which i don't necessarily agree with. Because i believe high end multiversal beings can beat him as well.
Mandrakk(I) was the negative aspect of the Primal Monitor itself-- the aspect tainted by initial contact with the stories found in the 'germ world'. That said, it was made abundantly clear that the only thing(s) in creation capable of defeating him were: Superman's fundamental character-story, housed within a specifically designed/dues ex machina Thought-Robot capable of adapting instantly to counter any threat, no matter how powerful(ie. the Cosmic Armor.) The more powerful Mandrakk became, the more powerful the CA became to oppose him, and vice versa-- they were beyond the finite parameters of universal/multiversal, imo. They were literally the 'essence of story': all good vs. all evil, that has ever existed-- a self-assembling hyper story, as Morrison dubbed it.
Anyway, Mandrakk wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
Mandrakk(I) was the negative aspect of the Primal Monitor itself-- the aspect tainted by initial contact with the stories found in the 'germ world'. That said, it was made abundantly clear that the only thing(s) in creation capable of defeating him were: Superman's fundamental character-story, housed within a specifically designed/dues ex machina Thought-Robot capable of adapting instantly to counter any threat, no matter how powerful(ie. the Cosmic Armor.) The more powerful Mandrakk became, the more powerful the CA became to oppose him, and vice versa-- they were beyond the finite parameters of universal/multiversal, imo. They were literally the 'essence of story': all good vs. all evil, that has ever existed-- a self-assembling hyper story, as Morrison dubbed it.Anyway, Mandrakk wins.
Both Thought Robot and Mandrakk were physical beings, they were being hurt physically, that was pretty clear as well. When Mandrakk unleashed a blast of a heat equivalent to "10 billion suns", Thought Robot was hurt badly. A single galaxy contains billions of stars so that doesn't exactly support your stance here.
They battled on the Nil.
Also, Mandrakk was feeding on the universes, gradually.
I think it's best to disregard any attempt by a writer to quantify anything. Generally, they don't know wtf they're talking about.
10 Billion suns here, 1 million supernovas there, Flash emptied a Korean city at a hair under lightspeed when the math checks out to some quadrillions of times lightspeed. By my math each Green Lantern is responsible for patrolling about 70 million galaxies (that number of course doubles if you use the original 3600 Lantern count). I was just reading something (can't remember) where another galaxy was said to be 50-60 thousand lightyears away, which is all great until you realize the Milky Way is about 100,000 light years across and Andromeda (the nearest non-dwarf galaxy) is 2.5 million light years away.
Just throw numbers out, writers are shit.
Originally posted by operator616They were metaphysical concepts given physical form(not unlike the Endless in that regard, I suppose.) The embodiment of all good vs. the embodiment of all evil: the essence of story at a fundamental level. It is a difficult concept to grasp-- most don't(or won't, rather), but it's true nonetheless.
Both Thought Robot and Mandrakk were physical beings, they were being hurt physically, that was pretty clear as well. When Mandrakk unleashed a blast of a heat equivalent to "10 billion suns", Thought Robot was hurt badly. A single galaxy contains billions of stars so that doesn't exactly support your stance here.
Also, the '10 billion suns attack' didn't cause Thought-Robot any visible damage at all...
Bottom panel: Mandrakk blasts Thought-Robot with "the heat of ten billion suns":
Next page, top panel: Thought-Robot is already back on the offensive, and appears completely unharmed:
Won't? So where exactly was it stated that it was the embodiment of all good vs the embodiment of all evil?
Ok, i remembered the scene a bit incorrectly, though this is what the 3rd consecutive page shows:
http://i.imgur.com/1y5bjBh.jpg
Looks pretty hurt to me.
Originally posted by Galan007
Also, the '10 billion suns attack' didn't cause Thought-Robot any visible damage at all...Bottom panel: Mandrakk blasts Thought-Robot with "the heat of ten billion suns":
Next page, top panel: Thought-Robot is already back on the offensive, and appears completely unharmed:
Originally posted by operator616
Both Thought Robot and Mandrakk were physical beings, they were being hurt physically, that was pretty clear as well. When Mandrakk unleashed a blast of a heat equivalent to "10 billion suns", Thought Robot was hurt badly. A single galaxy contains billions of stars so that doesn't exactly support your stance here.They battled on the Nil.
Also, Mandrakk was feeding on the universes, gradually.
Should be noted that Mandrakk didn't only describe that attack as the heat of 10 billion suns, but also specifically as the "blood of 52 universes", whatever that means. Anyways, to say it's merely the heat of 10 billion suns is to deliberately exclude the line immediately prior.
Originally posted by operator616As my scans clearly depict: Mandrakk blasted Thought-Robot a few more times after the 'sun attack' before we saw any physical damage. Point: Thought-Robot was not physically harmed by the only attack Mandrakk numerically quantified, like you said.
Won't? So where exactly was it stated that it was the embodiment of all good vs the embodiment of all evil?Ok, i remembered the scene a bit incorrectly, though this is what the 3rd consecutive page shows:
http://i.imgur.com/1y5bjBh.jpg
Looks pretty hurt to me.
We have no idea how powerful the blasts were that actually harmed TR.
Originally posted by Cogito
Should be noted that Mandrakk didn't only describe that attack as the heat of 10 billion suns, but also specifically as the "blood of 52 universes", whatever that means. Anyways, to say it's merely the heat of 10 billion suns is to deliberately exclude the line immediately prior.
Originally posted by Galan007
As my scans clearly depict: Mandrakk blasted Thought-Robot a few more times after the 'sun attack' before we saw any physical damage. Point: Thought-Robot was not physically harmed by the only attack Mandrakk numerically quantified, like you said.We have no idea how powerful the blasts were that actually harmed TR.
Originally posted by Epicurusoperator stated that Thought Robot was physically "hurt badly" by the sun attack. To the contrary, we saw no physical damage to TR from that attack whatsoever. That is the point.
But what your scans clearly depict also clearly contradicts you.
Screaming in pain=/=sustaining any lasting physical damage... And by operator's own accord he misremembered the instance. So yeah...
Originally posted by Galan007
operator stated that Thought Robot was physically "hurt badly" by the sun attack. To the contrary, we saw no physical damage to TR at all from that attack. That is the point.Screaming in pain=/=sustaining any lasting damage... And by operator's own accord he misremembered the instance. So yeah...
