Originally posted by Epicurus
"Blood of 52 universes" bit is vague and unquantifiable. I mean what does one even mean by the "blood of a universe". The 500 quadrillion degree heat blast, on the other hand, isn't.
Are we to disregard every unquantifiable attack now?
Mandrakk specifically said:
"Can you feel it? The blood of 52 universes"
That he also said another bit right after doesn't change what he said first.
Originally posted by Cogito
Are we to disregard every unquantifiable attack now?Mandrakk specifically said:
"Can you feel it? The blood of 52 universes"That he also said another bit right after doesn't change what he said first.
It's still unquanitifiable if one were to refer to the "blood of the 52 universes" bit, not to mention vague as sh1t. The 10 billion sun heat blast claim puts some perspective on the feat, not the universal blodd thingy.
Or do you want to claim that Mandrakk's attack reproduced the "ick" feeling Umar felt due to Eternity's blood times 52? Because that is...a pretty useless feat to use in a VS thread.
Originally posted by EpicurusLol, since when does screaming constitute a quantifiable amount of physical damage? Rhetorical question: it doesn't. Superman screamed after being blasted. In the very next panel he was already attacking Mandrakk again, with no visible damage sustained whatsoever-- he never so much as dropped to his knees from that attack. In the comic world he was absolutely not "hurt badly". In short: you are blatantly wrong.
He screamed in pain like a *****. He was badly hurt in that instance. Your own scans proved you wrong. I also don't care about what operator said, though his exact words were "he was hurt badly".
Not that I expect you to admit when you're wrong or anything. You clearly like arguing with me for nothing but the sake of arguing. You've literally been doing it ever since you joined this site. 👆
Anywho, you may have the last word, I'm over talking about this with you. Nothing good comes of 'debating' with a wall anyway.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Unquantifiable feats, by their very nature, don't add anything to a battleboard discussion about a hypothetical fight between 2 characters that have never met in a comic book before.It's still unquanitifiable if one were to refer to the "blood of the 52 universes" bit, not to mention vague as sh1t. The 10 billion sun heat blast claim puts some perspective on the feat, not the universal blodd thingy.
Or do you want to claim that Mandrakk's attack reproduced the "ick" feeling Umar felt due to Eternity's blood times 52? Because that is...a pretty useless feat to use in a VS thread.
That's just stupid, tbh.
If the second line were never written, and Morrison had just left it as "Can you feel it? The blood of 52 universes" and the same effect happened, then by your convenient excuses that panel would have no bearing whatsoever in a forum fight. Ditto to any other unquantifiable attack.
That's just stupid, and a rule you made up on the spot for your own benefit.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, since when does screaming constitute a quantifiable amount of physical damage? Rhetorical question: it doesn't. Superman screamed after being blasted. In the very next panel he was already attacking Mandrakk again, with no visible damage sustained whatsoever. He never so much as dropped to his knees from that attack. In the comic world he was absolutely not "hurt badly" by the attack. In short: you are blatantly wrong.Not that I expect you to admit when you're wrong or anything. You clearly like arguing with me for nothing but the sake of arguing. You've literally been doing it ever since you joined this site. 👆
Anywho, you may have the last word. I over talking to a wall. 👆
No, I only like to argue with you to death when I know that you're wrong. In this case, you clearly are.
Concession accepted, friend. 👆
Originally posted by Cogito
That's just stupid, tbh.If the second line were never written, and Morrison had just left it as "Can you feel it? The blood of 52 universes" and the same effect happened, then by your convenient excuses that panel would have no bearing whatsoever in a forum fight. Ditto to any other unquantifiable attack.
That's just stupid, and a rule you made up on the spot for your own benefit.
Which is exactly what I stated previously. But let's go ahead and pretend a 52x "ick" feeling is somehow relevant in this battle. Who knows, maybe Mandrakk could repulse Synnar to death with it.
Originally posted by CogitoYou're right, Cog. The entire statement must be taken into consideration-- not just a cherry-picked portion of said statement, removed from context. It's a basic concept. 👆
That's just stupid, tbh.If the second line were never written, and Morrison had just left it as "Can you feel it? The blood of 52 universes" and the same effect happened, then by your convenient excuses that panel would have no bearing whatsoever in a forum fight. Ditto to any other unquantifiable attack.
That's just stupid, and a rule you made up on the spot for your own benefit.
Originally posted by Cogito
Logic only applies to known values?Come on now, you're better than that.
Originally posted by Galan007
As my scans clearly depict: Mandrakk blasted Thought-Robot a few more times after the 'sun attack' before we saw any physical damage. Point: Thought-Robot was not physically harmed by the only attack Mandrakk numerically quantified, like you said.We have no idea how powerful the blasts were that actually harmed TR.
Ok, but we both agree that their battle was physical, correct?
Just so that everyone can see:
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They were on Nil:
http://i.imgur.com/hTJmbtM.jpg
The Monitors were there at the time of the battle:
http://i.imgur.com/1eSllSb.jpg
Mandrakk was physically hurt as well:
http://i.imgur.com/zJlpjHh.jpg
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Originally posted by Cogito
but also specifically as the "blood of 52 universes", whatever that means.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I mean what does one even mean by the "blood of a universe".
It's a reference to what Mandrakk was feeding on -- the multiverse (52 universes). That's why he along with the monitors are called vampire gods, they feed on the blood of universes:
http://i.imgur.com/AE153eT.jpg
Mandrakk's bio (from Final Crisis Secret Files) confirms his vampire nature:
http://i.imgur.com/qLTR7ri.jpg?1
He was feeding on the blood of the multiverse (52 universes). Hence why his comment: do you feel the blood of 52 universes (as in, do you feel my power)
Originally posted by Epicurus
It applies to something which makes sense, even in a comic book context. Something which is applicable here. Not a 52x "ick" feeling that may or may not potentially repulse Synnar to death in this thread.
Maybe if you keep repeating rules of convenience enough they'll catch on 👆
Edit: ^ What I meant by "whatever that means" regarding the blood of 52 universes was that I don't know what that means in terms of an attack, but Mandrakk very clearly and deliberately said it in the context of an attack.
Originally posted by operator616
Ok, but we both agree that their battle was physical, correct?Just so that everyone can see:
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They were on Nil:
http://i.imgur.com/hTJmbtM.jpg
The Monitors were there at the time of the battle:
http://i.imgur.com/1eSllSb.jpg
Mandrakk was physically hurt as well:
http://i.imgur.com/zJlpjHh.jpg
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It's a reference to what Mandrakk was feeding on -- the multiverse (52 universes). That's why he along with the monitors are called vampire gods, they feed on the blood of universes:
http://i.imgur.com/AE153eT.jpg
Mandrakk's bio (from Final Crisis Secret Files) confirms his vampire nature:
http://i.imgur.com/qLTR7ri.jpg?1
He was feeding on the blood of the multiverse (52 universes). Hence why his comment: do you feel the blood of 52 universes (as in, do you feel my power)
Originally posted by Cogito
Maybe if you keep repeating rules of convenience enough they'll catch on 👆Edit: ^ What I meant by "whatever that means" regarding the blood of 52 universes was that I don't know what that means in terms of an attack, but Mandrakk very clearly and deliberately said it in the context of an attack.
You already agree that this is an unquantifiable portion of the feat. Why on earth would you continue trying to gauge this feat with that particular statement(because universal bleeds are totally relevant to forum fight of course) is beyond me.
Originally posted by Epicurus
You already agree that this is an unquantifiable portion of the feat. Why on earth would you continue trying to gauge this feat with that particular statement(because universal bleeds are totally relevant to forum fight of course) is beyond me.
I'm arguing it because it was intentionally put there, so it means something. I'm not placing a specific value on what it means, only that it has a place in the context of their fight.
And how could the bleed not be relevant to a forum fight involving Mandrakk?
Originally posted by Cogito
I'm arguing it because it was intentionally put there, so it means something. I'm not placing a specific value on what it means, only that it has a place in the context of their fight.And how could the bleed not be relevant to a forum fight involving Mandrakk?
Not even referring to the same Bleed(revolving around the Monitors) here. I am referring to the unquantifiable cosmic space-time blood dribbles that the Thought Robot was supposed to feel that highly disturbing 52x "ick" sensation from.
Originally posted by Cogito
Yes, Morrison texted his specific intentions in a book called Superman Beyond 👆
Originally posted by Epicurus
So he mentioned the exact reason and values that would shed some light and/or explain the "blood of 52 universes" bit that Mandrakk mentions alongside the "heat of the 10 billiond suns" thing in his fight with the Cosmic Armor? Scans?
Never said there was a value. Specifically said otherwise, in fact. Nice try 👆
