Originally posted by abhilegend
I did. It was done by mjolnir, not his own body. Its like slamming and breaking out of a window by a hammer.At least it was implied by Loki that he would die. Why would "test the immortality" line be added if there was no chance that Thor would've died? Of course he was panicked as he was hammering the cage repeatedly.
And then he was shown much later trying to pick up the hammer. He was at best stunned and at worst KTFO. Anyway Superman wins, yes or no?
Nah, I doubt that was the implication. More like Loki mocking him. Why wouldn't he hammer up the cage nice and good? Trying to escape confinement in such a scenario is a logical thing to do anyways and if you were trapped inside a nigh-unbreakable containment(designed to imprison the Hulk) while your friends are in peril and the world you care about is going to be harmed, you too would repeatedly hammer it to try and escape.
What does him trying to pick up the hammer(lol, is that even a serious idea) have anything to do with anything? So you agree that Thor survived that fall? I've not yet watched Dark World, so I can't comment yet on who wins.
Originally posted by Epicurus
What? So launching himself via a firm footing into that solid glass window was through Mjolnir? Explain then how exactly was the rest of the hole formed after Mjolnir passed through the initial crack. Yeah, your analogy would be correct if the window was shattered via the hammer alone. Thor on the other hand launched his entire body towards the glass wall:Nah, I doubt that was the implication. More like Loki mocking him. Why wouldn't he hammer up the cage nice and good? Trying to escape confinement in such a scenario is a logical thing to do anyways and if you were trapped inside a nigh-unbreakable containment(designed to imprison the Hulk) while your friends are in peril and the world you care about is going to be harmed, you too would repeatedly hammer it to try and escape.
What does him trying to pick up the hammer(lol, is that even a serious idea) have anything to do with anything? So you agree that Thor survived that fall? I've not yet watched Dark World, so I can't comment yet on who wins.
I disagree. Loki was mocking Thor and himself by insinuating that they were not immortals?
Not the hammer lifting, just how much time after Thor was shown. When he was shown again, the hellicarrier was stabilized, Tony and Cap were having a chat with Fury who had the time to swap Coulson's cards and all that shit. He was at least stunned by that crash.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor flew mjolnir first to the cage, it shattered the cage and Thor was free without the momentum of falling since his flight negated that. Are you trying to say that Thor breaking through the glass is some kind of durability feat? Color me duly unimpressed with that then.I disagree. Loki was mocking Thor and himself by insinuating that they were not immortals?
Not the hammer lifting, just how much time after Thor was shown. When he was shown again, the hellicarrier was stabilized, Tony and Cap were having a chat with Fury who had the time to swap Coulson's cards and all that shit. He was at least stunned by that crash.
When did he insinuate that aren't immortals? Look, either ways you have to admit that 1)he didn't directly state that the fall could kill Thor, and 2) even if he had, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference as Thor still survived the fall.
Okay, fair enough, though that's essentially speculation based on something that may have happened off-screen and is not necessarily indisputable fact.
Originally posted by Epicurus
He didn't "flew Mjolnir first to cage", he launched himself at the glass wall and crashed through it. You would have a point by saying that his flight negated the momentum of the fall...if he'd flown in the upward direction to begin with. He didn't. Instead he flew downwards and ended up ricocheting through a flower field.When did he insinuate that aren't immortals? Look, either ways you have to admit that 1)he didn't directly state that the fall could kill Thor, and 2) even if he had, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference as Thor still survived the fall.
Okay, fair enough, though that's essentially speculation based on something that [b]may
have happened off-screen and is not necessarily indisputable fact. [/B]
What do you get from "Human thinks us immortals"? He isn't mocking Thor or the fact that they are gods, he is extremely proud that he is a god which he stated several times in the movie. It was a test for thor's life which was left unanswered.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't fly downwards, he flew upwards as the Cage is rotating and crashed away from the cage. If he had flown downwards, he would've crashed before the cage did. That didn't happen.What do you get from "Human thinks us immortals"? He isn't mocking Thor or the fact that they are gods, he is extremely proud that he is a god which he stated several times in the movie. It was a test for thor's life which was left unanswered.
Fair enough.
His intent was putting Thor through hell, irrespective of whether or not it would kill him. Loki likely knew that it wouldn't, but he still did that anyways. Nah, it wasn't left unanswered, seeing how Thor ultimately survived it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Nope. Thor definitely did not fly upwards. He flew at an angle towards the side and down. That may have lessened his velocity somewhat, as the cage did hit before he did, but not by much.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Why did he go crash-ricocheting into that flower field then? If he had flown upwards, then he should have kept flying upwards. The cage and him crashed at different spots though, with him landing far, far away from the cage, which is why he crashed afterwards.His intent was putting Thor through hell, irrespective of whether or not it would kill him. Loki likely knew that it wouldn't, but he still did that anyways. Nah, it wasn't left unanswered, seeing how Thor ultimately survived it.
I disagree. You're ignoring the context which was presented in the scene.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He crashed because he lost mjolnir in the crash which was separated from him. That's why mjolnir was thrown away from him.I disagree. You're ignoring the context which was presented in the scene.
Mjolnir was thrown away simply during him ricocheting on that field.
I am not though. You claimed that it was directly stated that the fall would kill him, which is a lie, because 1)it was never directly stated and 2)it didn't. Loki's words are open to interpretation, but at no point is it suggested that the fall would actually kill Thor. Not a good way to lowball a character, but to each his own, I guess.
Originally posted by Epicurus
He lost Mjolnir [b]after crashing on the ground:Mjolnir was thrown away simply during him ricocheting on that field.
I am not though. You claimed that it was directly stated that the fall would kill him, which is a lie, because 1)it was never directly stated and 2)it didn't. Loki's words are open to interpretation, but at no point is it suggested that the fall would actually kill Thor. Not a good way to lowball a character, but to each his own, I guess. [/B]
TBH, it was mostly to rile snake-eyes up as I was bored at that time.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, sorry about that. I mistook that as Thor losing mjolnir before the crash. My bad.TBH, it was mostly to rile snake-eyes up as I was bored at that time.
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^um...nobody here thougt he ws 😬
Anyway im kinda pullin for thor. I think it depends on how he fights. The dude just has to stop brawling. Create some massive tornados and lightning strikes. Keep the enemy at bay and spam AOE. Come in close for some powerful strikes then repeat. I feel he has the tools but in an actual fight probs wont put it to use. Especially with a guy like supes...pride would probs makin him try to throw hands with him.
