Let me explain in full detail...King Hyperion basically solos because not only has he defeated multiple universal alternatives of Galactus, I haven't seen anything impressive from the New 52 Universe JLA...Enzu already touched base on that subject in full detail. So I don't really need to touch on that subject.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
And still got beaten by blue marvel, which is a more precise indicator since we know what he's capable of, unlike the alternate heroes.That's how i see it.
And yet we dont even know the full power of Blue Marvel and his anti matter abilities. Heck he was said to have enough strength to crack the moon in half IIRC. I can bring up New 52 Superman getting hurt by Ocean master.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Dem double standards, man ...So now, where Batman and Red Hood have said something we should accept it as the ultimate truth? Batman, the same guy, who said that Superman is a god... Superman, whose most special powers are Heat Vision and Ice Breath is supposed to be a god :-| Yes.
You know what else has been stated?
That Sentry stalemated Glactus, but do you see me saying that him stalemating Galactus puts him on Galactus level?You're just one of those insane Superman fanboys. And pay attention at the word "fanboy"... there is a different between a fan and a fanboy. I'm a fan, you're a ridiculous fanboy.
So what you're saying is that the regular, not sundipped new 52 Superman is capable of destroying the Moon with a punch? Is that really what you're saying?
Oh the bias, man, the freakin' bias!
Here are Superman's best damage output feats so far:
1. [b]Superman hits H'El with a blow that could topple mountains... He is not holding back at that point:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3268378-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3268379-2.jpgNarration: "He delivers blows that could topple mountains [...]"
Character statement: "He's not holding back."2. Superman talks about his own physical challenges which include being able to destroy mountains with his fists:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3268414-3.jpg
Superman's statement: "I can lift entire city blocks and level mountains with my bare fists.
3. Superman meets clear trouble and he wants the end the battle fast, so he strikes as long as he has the chance ... with a strike that could topple a small mountain:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2757692-superman_zone_013.jpg
Superman's statement: "I'm sorry, but that's gotta stop -- fast."
Narration: "He takes no chances... ... It's a blow that could topple a small mountain."4. While enraged he punches the ground and destroys the ground in the nearby area (not even mountain level destruction at that point):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3182403-justice+league+of+america+%282013-%29+006-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3182404-justice+league+of+america+%282013-%29+006-008+-+copia.jpgThe last one doesn't have that much narration to it unfortunately, but we can clearly see the level of destruction, which is lackluster.
I mean, it's still a great level of destruction, but it's not even near the level you're trying to sell Superman as.I feel sorry for Superman for having ridiculous fans like you. Every character has black sheepy fans and you're the one for Superman. You go around and tell lies about that character. Shame on you, man :-7
And before you try to even consider trying to do me any harm regarding the Sentry: I'm still he one, who created a thread with all of Sentry's low showings, straight out give every skyfather level character the instant victory over the Sentry and told everyone, who overall the characters are, who could beat the Sentry in a fight even without having crazy Skyfather levels.
What are you doing? You're lying about Superman and trying to make him look better than he is.
Face it. The most powerful member of the Justice League can't inflict more damage than destroying mountains, even when going fully it. To do more damage, he has to be sundipped (as his recent fight shows it, where he got a sundip and stated that he could bring down mountains with a finger).
PS: The Hyperions stomp.
PPS: Raj. [/B]
I could tear apart your argument but seeing as how everybody has already done that, its a waste of my time.
Originally posted by Enzeru
When he fully let his energy out, Sentry was in a weak mental state, which depowers him greatly. If you would take few seconds to think about it, you would come to realize that Sentry fighting with bigger mental issues than usual is like Superman fighting with a piece of kryptonite in his butt.And that energy didn't have a wide scope of destruction, but it was still powerful, since the fire was burning for three days after the fight and it was causing massive damage on the Hulk.
It's like with Vegeta in Dragonball Z, where he was in his Majin state and tried killing Majin Boo by blowing himself up. The destruction didn't destroy the planet, because it was more concentrated, but it was still causing the needed damage on Majin Boo, who should have planetary level durability and Vegeta should have planetary level damage output at least in that form.
On top of that Sentry - when being plagued by less mental issues destroyed a moon during his fight with the Collective and later on he destroyed planets during his fight with Photon and during that fight no mental weakness was mentioned.
You're so biased and clueless, Raj.
Superman was half-naked, sitting in a machine and pushing it up (not your typical movement for a benchpress) and some guy or chick or whatever with a board in his / her hands told us that Superman has been benchpressing the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight ...
... is not now more worth than the narration telling us that the energy Sentry and Photon were spitting out, is enough to destroy entire planets and Captain America actually confirming that and Sentry stating that he wouldn't want to risk the sake of the Earth in a grudge match with Photon, which was basically also confirming the level of destruction?
Why is it more worth it? Because there is no real Superdudebro in the Marvel universe and therefore it doesn't have your approval?
You're so biased and clueless, Raj.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
And yet we dont even know the full power of Blue Marvel and his anti matter abilities. Heck he was said to have enough strength to crack the moon in half IIRC. I can bring up New 52 Superman getting hurt by Ocean master.
Originally posted by abhilegend'No the same guy who killed the remaining Earth heros and killed Galactus(most likely starving but still impressive).
The same guy who got his neck broken by Namora?
And bringing up Namora is retarded when this happened.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora3.jpg
He killed her...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, statements are so reliable, aren't they? Magic bro, look it up. Does BM uses magic?
What does BM have to do with anything? He still has better feats than New 52 Superman. The only good feat I can think of from New 52 Supes is that earth bench press feat and thats not even a combat feat.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300Even the weakest 616 Galactus we've ever seen would have obliterated Hyperion.
'No the same guy who killed the remaining Earth heros and killed Galactus(most likely starving but still impressive).And bringing up Namora is retarded when this happened.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora3.jpgHe killed her...
At that stage it becomes a non feat because it's virtually impossible for you to quantify how weak that version was, or how he did it. He obviously wasn't two Hyperion level Galactus though.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even the weakest 616 Galactus we've ever seen would have obliterated Hyperion.At that stage it becomes a non feat because it's virtually impossible for you to quantify how weak that version was, or how he did it. He obviously wasn't two Hyperion level Galactus though.
It was an alternative Galactus. Alternative characters from different universes are almost always weaker than their 616 counterparts. Thats just how I see it personally.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300I realize it's an alternate Galactus. I'm saying that that Galactus had to be quite a bit weaker than the weakest 616 Galactus we've seen for Hyperion to even stand a chance.
It was an alternative Galactus. Alternative characters from different universes are almost always weaker than their 616 counterparts. Thats just how I see it personally.
How much of a quantifiable feat does that become when Galactus has to be so starving he goes into Hyperion's tier? And it was all off panel and we're assuming he did it by himself with his own powers.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
'No the same guy who killed the remaining Earth heros and killed Galactus(most likely starving but still impressive).And bringing up Namora is retarded when this happened.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...lingNamora3.jpgHe killed her...
Also killing a heat sensitive character with heat vision? Yeah, that's a great feat.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
What does BM have to do with anything? He still has better feats than New 52 Superman. The only good feat I can think of from New 52 Supes is that earth bench press feat and thats not even a combat feat.
Why does it have to be a combat feat to be counted? Superman dropped H'el to his knees with two punches.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Featless alternate characters. Ego the living planet was beating several celestials once in an alternate reality.Also killing a heat sensitive character with heat vision? Yeah, that's a great feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Then you don't know what you're talking about. Blue Marvel has better feats than superman? GTFO.
I said NEW 52 SUPERMAN. Learn to read...Again I have not seen much from New 52 Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why does it have to be a combat feat to be counted? Superman dropped H'el to his knees with two punches.
And Blue Marvel rocked the Sentry into orbit with one punch. And was taking on the Avengers all by himself. Not only that but defeated Anti-Man who was giving the Avengers a hard fight(Sentry included) and was said to destroy Earth due to his huge amount of power IIRC.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300Better than finger flicking a mid herald in major force and knocking him out? Nope.
Still more impressive than what I've from New 52 Superman.
I said NEW 52 SUPERMAN. Learn to read...Again I have not seen much from New 52 Superman.I know what you said, its still not true. What has he done to suggest he has better feats than new 52 superman?
And Blue Marvel rocked the Sentry into orbit with one punch. And was taking on the Avengers all by himself.Young Namor did that too at one point and more credibly than BM.
Not only that but defeated Anti-Man who was giving the Avengers a hard fight(Sentry included) and was said to destroy Earth due to his huge amount of power IIRC.Due to his unique powers, Anti-Man beat the crap out of him in a direct fight. Its like saying Superman beat Apollo who is the head of olympian gods currently because of his own power. GTFO.
