Originally posted by Insane Titan
so the writers own words aren't proof enough for you know, bwhahahahaha
Only if their name's Alan Moore, it seems...
In any case, Thanos wins here. How? By punching Dr M. With a combo of TP. You can ask Alan Moore all you like if Dr M. is affected by TP, but that means absolutely zilch in this thread, now.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85haha.
Only if their name's Alan Moore, it seems...In any case, Thanos wins here. How? By punching Dr M. With a combo of TP. You can ask Alan Moore all you like if Dr M. is affected by TP, but that means absolutely zilch in this thread, now.
Tbf this thread has run it's course as everyone agrees on the outcome
h1a8 is right about the scan where Thanos travels across dimensions. Thanos gets warped and distorted according to the laws of nature in each dimension (and he cannot resist it) -- only during the transitions between dimensions there are no distorting effects.
But I guess according to the Thanos fanboys' interpretation both Thanos AND his chair/transport have the exact same awwsum and unprecedented ability to control their molecules and "hold true to themselves", instead. 😆
Dr. Manhattan takes this.
Originally posted by Magnon
h1a8 is right about the scan where Thanos travels across dimensions. Thanos gets warped and distorted according to the laws of nature in each dimension (and he cannot resist it) -- only during the transitions between dimensions there are no distorting effects.But I guess according to the Thanos fanboys' interpretation both Thanos AND his chair/transport have the exact same awwsum and unprecedented ability to control their molecules and "hold true to themselves", instead. 😆
Dr. Manhattan takes this.
For Pete's sake. Why wouldn't he design his transport chair (you know, the chair he uses to travel thru dimensions?) to be resistant to the effects of travelling thru dimensions?
facepalm
FYI, unless you're suggesting that each reality had a "pit stop" wherein he' was allowed to recover between dimensions, and unless you're going to completely ignore writer's intent based on what is shown and written on panel, we're going to have to assume that you've come here with your mind made up even before reading the arguments and evidences presented regardless of logic. And you come here accusing people of "fanboying"...
Smh.
Edit.
This is the logic we're suggesting:
-Thanos enters dimensions,
-Dimension's rules attempt to warp Thanos.
-Thanos resists and is restored to his original state.
-Thanos enters new dimension,.
-Dimension's rules attenot to warp Thanos.
-etc.
This is how your "logic" works:
-Thanos enters dimension.
-Dimension warps Thanos.
-Thanos enters new dimension.
-New dimension goes:"hey buddy, that was a rough trip, why don't you take some time and pull yourself together........ There you go all healed up-p-psssSSSSSSsupriseee SUCKA!!! WARPYOFACE!!!"
-etc.
It's like you and h1 think that when a person gets dumped in boilinf water, into lava then into acid then into a vacuum, in rapid succession that he'd be allowed a few seconds in a clean room to heal up and recover....
Again SMH.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
For Pete's sake. Why wouldn't he design his transport chair (you know, the chair he uses to travel thru dimensions?) to be resistant to the effects of travelling thru dimensions?
It wasn't resistant. It followed the same exact cycle Thanos did. It got faceted/shattered/distorted exactly when Thanos did, and appeared normal exactly when Thanos did. Matching exactly the times when they were fully in a particular dimension and when in transition between dimensions (which restored the travelers).
This is just some ppl trying hard to imbue Thanos with some unprecedented awesome new powers so that he could be a match to DM. Whereas an unbiased observation of his chair and equipment clearly shows the phenomenon was just something everyone and everything would experience upon such a travel.
Originally posted by Magnon
It wasn't resistant. It followed the same exact cycle Thanos did. It got faceted/shattered/distorted exactly when Thanos did, and appeared normal exactly when Thanos did. Matching exactly the times when they were fully in a particular dimension and when in transition between dimensions (which restored the travelers).This is just some ppl trying hard to imbue Thanos with some unprecedented awesome new powers so that he could be a match to DM. Whereas an unbiased observation of his chair and equipment clearly shows the phenomenon was just something everyone and everything would experience upon such a travel.
It got affected and adjusted to the nature of the dimension. Not all that unbelievable seeing as that it was designed to transport Thanos across dimensions. And why wouldn't he imbue it with a similar resistance he would have to warping? He designed it, it would make sense.
FYI, Eternals always have had control over their own bodies. Thanos is a mutant eternal with powers much greater than his brethren.
Only if you completely ignore writer's intent and the narrative would that be the case.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
FYI, Eternals always have had control over their own bodies. Thanos is a mutant eternal with powers much greater than his brethren.
"Control over their own bodies"... what do you mean by that? The Eternals of Earth have the ability to reconstruct their damaged bodies, yes. This is due to a Celestial-made artifact "The Machine" (located on Earth) which repairs them from injury. However, Thanos is an Eternal of Titan, and even if The Machine's function extends to Titanian Eternals (is there any proof of this?) it would not work far away from Earth, e.g. in those scans where Thanos is traveling deep into other dimensions.
Originally posted by Magnon
"Control over their own bodies"... what do you mean by that? The Eternals of Earth have the ability to reconstruct their damaged bodies, yes. This is due to a Celestial-made artifact "The Machine" (located on Earth) which repairs them from injury. However, Thanos is an Eternal of Titan, and even if The Machine's function extends to Titanian Eternals (is there any proof of this?) it would not work far away from Earth, e.g. in those scans where Thanos is traveling deep into other dimensions.
So your strategy to disprove my point about Thanos' scan above is to take it to a meaningless tangent about Eternals' abilities? Sigh....
All the proof I need is up there in the scan. Read it.
"Reality, like all outside influences, has a minimal effect on my being"
"I always hold true to myself"
The artistic rendering of him quickly REVERTING back every other panel, every time he enters another dimension in rapid succession (the fact that he travels between realities in between thoughts means that it is happening quickly) added with the narrative clearly states what the intent was. He was resisting the effects of the realities' influence on him.
If they wanted to show him being affected and not resisting and simply surviving the effects they would simply show him being affected panel after panel and have him survive at the end. The very fact that they added a panel that shows him reverting back each time is very clear what the intention was.
That and the obvious narrative.
Bear in mind that there is no pit-stop between dimensions being shown where he is allowed to "revert" back so I don't even know where the two of you are getting the idea that he somehow revers back in between dimensions for no apparent reason.
This is the actual argument and your efforts to distract from the issue notwithstanding.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
It got affected and adjusted to the nature of the dimension. Not all that unbelievable seeing as that it was designed to transport Thanos across dimensions. And why wouldn't he imbue it with a similar resistance he would have to warping? He designed it, it would make sense.FYI, Eternals always have had control over their own bodies. Thanos is a mutant eternal with powers much greater than his brethren.
Only if you completely ignore writer's intent and the narrative would that be the case.
Now you are making stuff up. "He designed it to completely restore itself molecularly." WTF. Didn't his chair get damaged or destroyed before. I didn't see it repair itself.
The writer in no way says or mentions that Thanos is using his own powers to restore himself to normal. Control over ones body doesn't mean complete control over one's atoms, or even molecules. Otherwise Thanos can shapeshift, change into a table or something. I like to see proof that Eternals can control their bodies. I want to analyze this proof to see if they can do it and what degree can they do it.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So your strategy to disprove my point about Thanos' scan above is to take it to a meaningless tangent about Eternals' abilities? Sigh....All the proof I need is up there in the scan. Read it.
"Reality, like all outside influences, has a minimal effect on my being"
"I always hold true to myself"
The artistic rendering of him quickly REVERTING back every other panel, every time he enters another dimension in rapid succession (the fact that he travels between realities in between thoughts means that it is happening quickly) added with the narrative clearly states what the intent was. He was resisting the effects of the realities' influence on him.
If they wanted to show him being affected and not resisting and simply surviving the effects they would simply show him being affected panel after panel and have him survive at the end. The very fact that they added a panel that shows him reverting back each time is very clear what the intention was.
That and the obvious narrative.
Bear in mind that there is no pit-stop between dimensions being shown where he is allowed to "revert" back so I don't even know where the two of you are getting the idea that he somehow revers back in between dimensions for no apparent reason.
This is the actual argument and your efforts to distract from the issue notwithstanding.
This is your interpretation. It's not irrefutable proof. The problem is that your interpretation has a flaw, the chair.
Another plausible interpretation is that the writer intended that Thanos can't die so easily. But this interpretation has no flaws since we see the chair also restore itself anew.
Originally posted by h1a8
Now you are making stuff up. "He designed it to completely restore itself molecularly." WTF. Didn't his chair get damaged or destroyed before. I didn't see it repair itself.The writer in no way says or mentions that Thanos is using his own powers to restore himself to normal. Control over ones body doesn't mean complete control over one's atoms, or even molecules. Otherwise Thanos can shapeshift, change into a table or something. I like to see proof that Eternals can control their bodies. I want to analyze this proof to see if they can do it and what degree can they do it.
Still waiting on the Planck time reactions...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Still waiting on the Planck time reactions...
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5035/n6c8.jpg "I've seen events so tiny and so fast they hardly can be said to have occurred at all".
Originally posted by h1a8
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5035/n6c8.jpg "I've seen events so tiny and so fast they hardly can be said to have occurred at all".
Originally posted by h1a8
This is your interpretation. It's not irrefutable proof.
Originally posted by Magnon
"Control over their own bodies"... what do you mean by that? The Eternals of Earth have the ability to reconstruct their damaged bodies, yes. This is due to a Celestial-made artifact "The Machine" (located on Earth) which repairs them from injury. However, Thanos is an Eternal of Titan, and even if The Machine's function extends to Titanian Eternals (is there any proof of this?) it would not work far away from Earth, e.g. in those scans where Thanos is traveling deep into other dimensions.
How can someone act like they know what they are talking about.. and yet have no clue what they are talking about? Clearly you've never read a bio of thanos or other eternals for that matter.. Marvel have stated that Eternals have total control over their molecutar structure... Thta is exactly the kind aof powerset they have.. and it doesn't require a machine for them to heal. Should I cite for you the numerous times thanos has been far far away from earth.. damaged and healed up just fine moments later? Thanos doesn't need any machine to heal.
Further, I'm not sure how your view of the scan even makes sense.. when the narrative flat out makes it clear to most anybody that he's controlling the effects it's having on his body. Let me ask you something.. do you feel thanos is an intelligent guy? If so, they you'd expect him to make a chair that can travel through realities YET can't take the effects of traveling through realities? Does that make any sense to you?
Lol... Thanos' telepathy sucks. If he wishes to do anything beyond the very basics, telepathically, he has to kidnap Xavier and install a device which allows him to use Xavier's telepathy. Well guess what, Xavier is not here to help out poor Thanos.
There's a reason we've never seen him dominate / PSI-blast any of the more advanced minds of MU, such as Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Magus, ... it's because he can't. If TP is the best Thanos can do to Dr. Manhattan (and it likely is), then Manhattan is quite safe.
