Dr. Manhattan vs. THANOS

Originally posted by Magnon
Lol... Thanos' telepathy sucks. If he wishes to do anything beyond the very basics, telepathically, he has to kidnap Xavier and install a device which allows him to use Xavier's telepathy. Well guess what, Xavier is not here to help out poor Thanos.
There's a reason we've never seen him dominate / PSI-blast any of the more advanced minds of MU, such as Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Magus, ... it's because he can't. If TP is the best Thanos can do to Dr. Manhattan (and it likely is), then Manhattan is quite safe.

SMH...

This is the fate that awaits DM:

Originally posted by Nibedicus

Thanos was on his tech throne in the scan. His tech throne is not standard equipment in the CBvF. I'm not convinced traveling through different dimensions/realities to get to the Nexus of Realities is the same as a sentient being, Dr. Manhattan, actively trying to scramble his molecules/atoms.

I don't know what durability has to do with things when Dr. Manhattan can not only control matter down to the subatomic level, but can actually see down that far. He's basically Captain Atom, Silver Surfer, Firestorm, etc. in one.

Dr. Manhattan has very few showings. So we have to take stated power(s) at face value or we can't really use Watchmen characters in the CBvF.

So given the stated and shown powers of Dr. Manhattan and the fact Thanos was on his tech throne to reach the Nexus of Reality, I'm inclined to say the scan above doesn't convince me that Thanos can endure Dr. Manhattan's matter manipulation. Maybe there are other scans which show Thanos resisting matter manipulation from a shown character on Dr. Manhattan's level?

Anyway, this thread probably won't be open too much longer. It's been becoming a problem and the debate basically broke down to a "nuh uh" "uh huh" argument.

The chair/throne was just used as transportation , that's made clear in Infinty war when he builds a new throne

Originally posted by Nibedicus
SMH...

Out of context scans won't help your case. Thanos was only able to attack Galactus telepathically due to Moondragon's help. And in the end, he lost miserably.

Are you serious ? A weakend Thanos broke out of a psi mind lock from Moondragon,Cosmo and mantis combined.

Originally posted by Magnon
Out of context scans won't help your case. Thanos was only able to attack Galactus telepathically due to Moondragon's help. And in the end, he lost miserably.

She played a part, yes. And Thanos was defeated by Galactus. Oh btw, Storm has also broken free of pretty impressive telepathic attacks. Doesn't imply she's got powerful TP attacks of her own.

Originally posted by Magnon
She played a part, yes. And Thanos was defeated by Galactus. Oh btw, Storm has also broken free of pretty impressive telepathic attacks. Doesn't imply she's got powerful TP attacks of her own.

Come back when she does it extremely weak and against 3 top telepaths combined not been able to contain her mental power

Storm has had LOTS of TP fights against very powerful telepaths, such as Psylocke, Cassandra Nova, Malice, Shadow King... and she has won most of them. Similarly, Cyclops has defeated beings like Apocalypse and the Void. They are not telepaths, however, they cannot offensively attack with telepathy.

Thanos, too, is very powerful when it comes to a psionic fight BUT he needs the help of telepaths such as Xavier (in Infinity Crusade, where he wanted to fight the Goddess) or Moondragon (when he fought Galactus) to be able to do this.

Dr. Manhattan probably won't start a psionic fight with Thanos, so he's perfectly safe.

Originally posted by Magnon
Lol... Thanos' telepathy sucks. If he wishes to do anything beyond the very basics, telepathically, he has to kidnap Xavier and install a device which allows him to use Xavier's telepathy. Well guess what, Xavier is not here to help out poor Thanos.

There's a reason we've never seen him dominate / PSI-blast any of the more advanced minds of MU, such as Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Magus, ... it's because he can't. If TP is the best Thanos can do to Dr. Manhattan (and it likely is), then Manhattan is quite safe.

You bordering on MOronic now... He resisted TP from Mooddragon WITH the Mind gem... He has bested Moondragon in TP battles on numerous occasions. Some of the top TP's in marvel couldn't shut down his mind when he still wasn't at full strength... He's resisted real TP people like Mantis.. Moondragon and even Xavier himself couldn't see into his mind... Yet you list Surfer.. Warlock.. Magus LULZ.. You honestly have no clue what you're talking about. He shut down and made a herald of Galactus his herald. This is a being empowered by Galactus himself, just like surfer, he mind ****ed him with ease. Recently he mind raped Hulk with utter ease and made him turn on the averngers. Hulk is somebody with PROVEN higher TP resistance than Dr. M who HAS NO FEATS OF RESISTANCE.

Are you really trying to be stupid on purpose or does this come natrually?

Originally posted by Magnon
Storm has had LOTS of TP fights against very powerful telepaths, such as Psylocke, Cassandra Nova, Malice, Shadow King... and she has won most of them. Similarly, Cyclops has defeated beings like Apocalypse and the Void. They are not telepaths, however, they cannot offensively attack with telepathy.

Thanos, too, is very powerful when it comes to a psionic fight BUT he needs the help of telepaths such as Xavier (in Infinity Crusade, where he wanted to fight the Goddess) or Moondragon (when he fought Galactus) to be able to do this.

Dr. Manhattan probably won't start a psionic fight with Thanos, so he's perfectly safe.

Do you have ANY clue what you're talking about? Do you know who Mantis.. Cosmos and Moondragon are? They are better at TP than ANYBODY you mention Storm resistning individually.. Thanos resisted them ALL at the same time with utter ease. I'm starting to think your just born this way.

You know what, let's engage in your form of debating. Let'sss seee....

Dr Manhattan has Pip the troll level mental resistance. Thanos wipes out his mind.

Win!

Can I see one feat of Dr. M resisting TP on the level thanos can perform? shit can I see an offensive TP feat from Dr. M on somebody on the level of Thanos? Ohhh yeah... he doesn't have shit.. yet I'm suppose to believe he somehow.. is as good as Thanos... odd.. I thought we used feats here on this forum.

Originally posted by Magnon
Storm has had LOTS of TP fights against very powerful telepaths, such as Psylocke, Cassandra Nova, Malice, Shadow King... and she has won most of them. Similarly, Cyclops has defeated beings like Apocalypse and the Void. They are not telepaths, however, they cannot offensively attack with telepathy.
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LOL.

If anyone has access to X-men comics, I suggest you post the fights listed. Comparing some of those encounters to Thanos' telepathic struggles? Ugh.

Thanos Wins, how is this even a argument anymore?

Cyclops defeated Apocalypse in a Tp battle?

@ KuRuPT Thanosi, Nibedicus and Rage.Of.Olympus

You COMPLETELY missed my point. Like, WHOOSH. I really would not want to repeat myself with one-syllable words so please read my post again and try to understand it.

Ah, heck, I'll try anyway: Being able to win psionic battles does not equal to being able to use telepathic attacks. Psionic prowess and telepathy do not necessarily even correlate: Psylocke lost a psionic battle to Nanny, whereas Storm won. Storm actually even resisted the combined PSI-attack of Nanny and Psylocke WHILE fighting a dominated Colossus at the same time. Yet, Storm is not a telepath and cannot use telepathic attacks. Psylocke can. This is why Thanos needs the help of REAL telepaths such as Xavier (in Infinity Crusade) or Moondragon (vs. Galactus). He's a boss in psionic struggles yet he cannot perform a telepathic assault on advanced minds such as Warlock, Strange, etc. on his own.

Thanos: "I require the services of Professor Xavier." "This device allows me to use Xavier's telepathic powers." Only this allowed him to communicate with Warlock through telepathy, and perform a TP assault against the Goddess. It is very very clear from the history of Thanos that he must use such services of telepaths or artifacts to perform TP abilities. Or do you claim he has done this just for funsies? The past stories certainly do not support such a claim.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't TP part of a Eternal's base abilities?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Cyclops defeated Apocalypse in a Tp battle?

Yeah.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/228/xfactor068page15pd4.jpg

Cyclops: "Just because Jean's our only PSI talent doesn't mean she's the only one of us able to act on a psionic plane. (...) That duel I lost. This one I won't!"

Originally posted by Silent Master
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't TP part of a Eternal's base abilities?

The Titans ("Eternals of Titan"😉 are an early offshoot of the Eternals (of Earth). Titans don't have the same base abilities as their Earthen relatives; this is due to the fact that Kronos did his experiments to improve Eternals only AFTER the Titans had already left. Furthermore, the Celestial Machine only seems to affect and enhance the "main branch" Eternals.