Dr. Manhattan vs. THANOS

Originally posted by h1a8
Shutting his mind down doesn't win since DM can anew the moment Thanos releases control. This is assuming that Thanos can shut his mind down of course, since mind controlling someone doesn't automatically give you that ability.

Unkillable =/= killable but not able to stay dead
Thanos can make things stay dead in the imperative arc. But he can't kill the unkillable as that would be a contradiction. Also Thanos can't kill Galactus, Odin, LT, etc.
So how again can he kill the unkillable?

Thanos killed beings empowered by the gods of the entire cancverse and DM isn't anywhere close to Odin, Galactus or LT so you have no point at all.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos shut the makers mind down who is more powerful than DM, he also shut down Fallen ones mind before mind controlling him and koed Moondragon who mental powers shit all over DM's

Thanos killed beings empowered by the gods of the entire cancverse and DM isn't anywhere close to Odin, Galactus or LT so you have no point at all.

DM doesn't exist. So how would you know his resistance to tp? He never faced anyone with tp at all. So how would you know?

Also, I'll research maker and moondragon feats. Do you have issue numbers to expedite the process?

DM doesn't have to be close to Odin, Galactus, in order to prove your statement wrong. You said Thanos can kill the unkillable when he can't kill Odin or Galactus.
Thus your statement is incorrect.

Also, the beings in the cancerverse were able to come back to life. That means you must first kill them. Thanos is not killing DM to being with, so it's not the same thing.

Originally posted by h1a8
DM doesn't exist. So how would you know his resistance to tp? He never faced anyone with tp at all. So how would you know?

Also, I'll research maker and moondragon feats. Do you have issue numbers to expedite the process?

DM doesn't have to be close to Odin, Galactus, in order to prove your statement wrong. You said Thanos can kill the unkillable when he can't kill Odin or Galactus.
Thus your statement is incorrect.

Also, the beings in the cancerverse were able to come back to life. That means you must first kill them. Thanos is not killing DM to being with, so it's not the same thing.

Thanos run under Giffen for Maker and cosmic cube for MD.

Stop acting stupid, Thanos has killed the likes of Surfer before whos feats are greater than DM. Youre trying to use Odin or Galactus as proof he cant kill certain beings, when the fact remain there power is far far beyond anything DM can muster.

Thanos never killed the first and if he had they wouldnt of come back to life, do you ever read anything?

Originally posted by h1a8
So you suggesting that durability prevents atomization in all cases, including through direct control of the subatomic particles? Honestly, I never seen a character attempt to atomize another character (by controlling their atoms) and fail. So durability may or may not resist being atomized in ALL WAYS. You could be right though (or wrong).

Lastly, if we don't know if DM can atomize Thanos, teleport parts of his body off, or create black holes near, on, or in him then this battle is inconclusive. It now depends on the opinion of the fans. We can't say DM is not able to do it since he has never tried and it is plausible based off the suspension of disbelief and we can't say he can either. My gut says he can beat Thanos rather easily while Thanos can do nothing to him. IMO, DM is abstract level of a small area of influence.

P.S. Surfer loses to Thanos mainly because of PIS mixed with a little CIS.
Surfer only tries to blasts Thanos. He doesn't get creative like he has done so many times.
A PIS off Surfer is at least trans level.

Durability has been stated to matter in regards to matter mainp, so show us examples of DM atomizing someone/thing with Thanos level durability.

Stalemate with an edge towards Thanos. IDK how Thanos would harm an incorporeal being like Doc physically, but it is possible Thanos would mindphuck him, although this is debatable due to Doc's omnipresent consciousness. I heavily doubt DM can atomize Thanos though, so stalemate or Thanos mindrape FTW.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Durability has been stated to matter in regards to matter mainp, so show us examples of DM atomizing someone/thing with Thanos level durability.

Where has it been stated?
When has someone tried to manipulate someone and failed solely because of durability?

If you are right then we don't know whether DM can do it and fight is inconclusive either way.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Dr M does exist dont try with that crap, Thanos has got inside minds greater than DM like Galactus, how do i know it will work?? just like you assume DM can teleport Thanos head off with no proof of 1. actually doing it and 2. against anyone all durable as Thanos.

Thanos run under Giffen for Maker and cosmic cube for MD.

Stop acting stupid, Thanos has killed the likes of Surfer before whos feats are greater than DM. Youre trying to use Odin or Galactus as proof he cant kill certain beings, when the fact remain there power is far far beyond anything DM can muster.

Thanos never killed the first and if he had they wouldnt of come back to life, do you ever read anything?

ABC logic doesn't work because Surfer never fought Thanos uses his A game. Surfer basically jobbed almost everytime. And Surfer not subjected to PIS and jobbing is greater than Thanos except in durability and physical strength.

Thanos killed them and they stayed dead. The others killed them and they came back to life (even more mutated). The key is to first kill them. Thanos is not killing DM at all.

I'm not saying whether Thanos can do it or not, but that we simply don't know. Ask Alan Moore and he would probably say that mind phuckery doesn't work on DM.
Thanos is not immune to teleportation for he has been teleported before. Thus is the plausible reason why DM can teleport parts of his body off. Now if DM was shown to be mind phucked then you would have a point. But we don't know.

So this fight can go either way depending on what work's on either.

IIRC it's been stated by both Sersi and Molecule Man when talking about why Cap's shield is hard to transmute.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IIRC it's been stated by both Sersi and Molecule Man when talking about why Cap's shield is hard to transmute.

Controlling his own atoms is part of his powerset not sure how he can be atomized by DM 😐

Thanos has this, even without the Infinity Gauntlet, he still beat the likes of Hulk and Thor with one attack, in the Infinity Comics, so Thanos, wins, he also withstood Black Bolts screams without those Gauntlets, so he most be Durable as Sh!t, also he just begged Thor to hit him with more lighting, showing to not be phased at all by them, and then took him out with ease, despite Thor giving his All, so if he has the Gauntlets, its a Stomp, but it's kinda sad, he didn't last long because of his Plot-Device son Thane, and the crammed together story, other then that he had some impressive feats that peg him far above DC's Seth, in just a short period of time, so Thanos WINS, and the Only way Dr.Seth wins is if he has the power to make him the Living Dead, which he doesn't so Dr.Seth is going down

Who is Dr. Seth???

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who is Dr. Seth???

Originally posted by h1a8
Where has it been stated?
When has someone tried to manipulate someone and failed solely because of durability?

If you are right then we don't know whether DM can do it and fight is inconclusive either way.

Getting into someone's mind and shutting it down are two completely different things. You don't know DM's mind. He's supposed to be omniscient or close to it.

ABC logic doesn't work because Surfer never fought Thanos uses his A game. Surfer basically jobbed almost everytime. And Surfer not subjected to PIS and jobbing is greater than Thanos except in durability and physical strength.

Thanos killed them and they stayed dead. The others killed them and they came back to life (even more mutated). The key is to first kill them. Thanos is not killing DM at all.

I'm not saying whether Thanos can do it or not, but that we simply don't know. Ask Alan Moore and he would probably say that mind phuckery doesn't work on DM.
Thanos is not immune to teleportation for he has been teleported before. Thus is the plausible reason why DM can teleport parts of his body off. Now if DM was shown to be mind phucked then you would have a point. But we don't know.

So this fight can go either way depending on what work's on either.

Originally posted by SamZED
A question - do you think Nightcrawler can kill Thanos by teleporting his head off? His overall power level shouldnt matter if Thanos is vulnerable to that kind of attack.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Controlling his own atoms is part of his powerset not sure how he can be atomized by DM 😐

Originally posted by Nibedicus

Wow, way to ignore the entire narrative of it all.

😂

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't mean Thanos is controlling his own molecules. Each dimension he travels to restores him and alters him a different way. He just takes the shit until he reaches his destination.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wow, way to ignore the entire narrative of it all.

😂

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes Nightcrawler can since teleporting objects is not a function of their durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes Nightcrawler can since teleporting objects is not a function of their durability.

Proof?

That doesn't mean Thanos is controlling his own molecules. Each dimension he travels to restores him and alters him a different way. He just takes the shit until he reaches his destination.