Originally posted by LGU
Yes, it was mentioned quite literally that time was passing differently for Thor and Zeus. It is explicitly stated that time slows to a crawl around Zeus and Thor so while months pass for the warriors beneath them, only an instant passes for the two gods on top of Mount Ida.If it were just that one statement, it might be arguable that it's ambiguous (not a very strong argument mind you).
But it isn't just that one statement. After the fight, Thor is directly asked about his battle taking "many months". He explicitly refutes the suggestion: "for you, mayhap [months have passed]... not for me."
So the explicit statements we have within the pretty short fight scene:
1) "time itself" explicitly begins to "tread at varying pace" around the peaks of Mount Ida (i.e. where Thor and Zeus fight)2) we are given a direct comparison immediately after statement 1) telling us that, while months pass below, only "an instant" passes on top of the mountain
3) after the fight Thor directly contradicts someone mentioning that months have passed.
Put all three of those together and it's pretty blatant what happened IMHO.
Cheers.
While all that may be true, this "instant" took longer than what the typical definition implies.
"And all the while the wrathful Zeus doth rant and rage"
"All the while" was during the months said to have passed by.
Zeus compared Thor's might during that test of power to the combined might of ALL of the Titans. To rant, rage, and make this assessment no doubt takes more than an "instant".
This was massive power output for whatever time period between the two and when you take Zeus' statements at face value and the fact that Thor was shown down in a fatigued state directly afterwards, then it's highly unlikely that there was much holding back (if any) done by either side.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Post a scan that even says Zeus is magic. And then post a scan that says that's all he is.
And I'm not claiming anything. You are. The burden of proof is on you, and considering it's such common knowledge that Zeus is only magic, I'm sure you can provide such a scan.Hercules grabbed him from behind and threw him around. Such a low feat. Although if getting knocked around is such a low feat, I'm sure Prime getting knocked around by scrub Teen Titans is the worst:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/RealVSClone8.jpgThe same comic had Prime bleeding from Superboy... so yeah. Zeus getting thrown around by Hercules who grabbed him from behind is just the worst. Even though he pretty much one punched Hercules.
And I didn't bring up Hercules, you did. I'm not claiming it's a great feat. It's just a feat where Zeus easily beat the shit out of Hercules.You don't know how to read. He took his own blast. And before that, he wasn't effected by anything. Obviously the blast had some effect. Seeing as how She-Hulk and Namor couldn't do a damned thing before hand. And all it did was knock him down... and he proceeded to one shot everyone directly after. If you think getting knocked down is the ultimate low feat on his end, then I don't think you've ever read a comic Prime has appeared in... ever.
You're making things up:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2qvgri1.jpgBut yes, spout off opinions like She-Hulk/Namor being more powerful than Zeus' own Skyfather level attacks. Because that's your argument; Zeus can tank Skyfather level blasts, but he loses to She-Hulk/Namor and then a hammer throw by Thor. Because that makes sense, doesn't it?
OK, so seeing as I don't know about this, then enlighten me. Post the scans where Zeus loses to Kingpin. Hell, even post a scan where Kingpin appears in the same page as Zeus and I'll check out the rest on my own. As it is now though, I feel you have no merit at all, so feel free to show me some light. 🙂
Zeus is no more magical than Zauriel is. If he's hitting him with magic, we're led to believe he can tank it. But as we've seen, a magical being can hurt Prime as long as he isn't actively using magic. IE, Zeus. Zeus "amping himself" is a myth. But even if he did, that wouldn't make everything he did magical.
Also the implication that Zeus can hurt him as long as he doesn't amp his strength with magic is hilarious. Apparently if Zauriel would have had his fists encased in magic and his strength went up two hundred fold the punch would have no longer have hurt Prime?
Where does that end? If Superman was magically amped to sundipped levels, he would fail to cause any damage to Prime in the slightest?You just used a Hercules grabbing Zeus from behind, because you thought that was a low showing. You apparently think Namor/She-Hulk > Zeus, and you used that as a low showing. And you apparently think Prime is a better fighter than Kingpin because of the yet to be seen true scene of Zeus losing to him while depowered.
But yes, play dumb (or not, hard to tell).And no, I'm not saying Zeus wins or loses, but he has more than enough feats to go against the bullshit you're spitting out.
are you retarded on purpose? its like saying prove zattana use magic or prove doom mordru use magic, i am not even going to bother with such low idioticy at this point.
it is known to any comic book reader that zeus weild magic powers, if you believe his powers are something extra to magic then you have to prove it and yes the burden of proof is on you.
i dont care about the depiction of the fight, facts are hercules physically took zeus down to the ground.
really? you go for the tactic "instead of proving your point lowball the other side", thats lame. prime broke down half of the DC super heroes roster along with the teen titans, his 95% of showings say that fight was PIS.
please then show me the 95% of showings that say the zeus part is PIS.
he took his own blas and? he was only mad and said you dare? there was no mentioning or any hint that for some reason he became weaker due to that. fact of the matter is a bunch of low heralds beat him ass down to the ground where he belongs.
superboy getting a bloody lip doesnt change anything, he still pummled every freakin body. again the low ball the other team is an idiotic tactic please stay on topic.
you should work on your reading comprehension and fast. i brought a feat of 3 low heralds knock his ass down, and you interpret it somehow by saying i said they are more powerful than him? this is pathetic go take some reading classes.
i never meant to say zeus is weaker than those guys, my whole point was the fact those guys can do something like that to him which put him below the level people are trying to portray him.
also the fact those are among his only fighting feats which again doesnt do him any good at all.
i dont have the comics nor will i search the entire web for your ass, either take my word or search it yourself, fact of the matter is zeus got treated like a b**** by kingpin get over it.
again, zuriel is an angel with magical abilities and a sword, however it doesnt mean everything about zuriel is magical. his punches are just punches, his sword however is magical.
now when discussing zeus amping his punches with magic that does mean his punches will be magical and therefor wont effect prime.
and i am still waiting for the scans of zuriel hurting prime, i thing you are just lying because as far as i remember zuriel only fought prime once and it was the time where zuriel was trying to hurt prime with his sword and prime laughed it off post the scans.
now the funniest thing is... you ready? this is average prime we are discussing and i still counter everything you say, and you cant provide anything for zues to handle prime, not a single thing you can say for zeus.
however the ironic part is that initially the prime was discussed is the guardian amped version who will just murder rape zeus 😆
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Post a scan that even says Zeus is magic. And then post a scan that says that's all he is.
And I'm not claiming anything. You are. The burden of proof is on you, and considering it's such common knowledge that Zeus is only magic, I'm sure you can provide such a scan.Hercules grabbed him from behind and threw him around. Such a low feat. Although if getting knocked around is such a low feat, I'm sure Prime getting knocked around by scrub Teen Titans is the worst:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/RealVSClone8.jpgThe same comic had Prime bleeding from Superboy... so yeah. Zeus getting thrown around by Hercules who grabbed him from behind is just the worst. Even though he pretty much one punched Hercules.
And I didn't bring up Hercules, you did. I'm not claiming it's a great feat. It's just a feat where Zeus easily beat the shit out of Hercules.You don't know how to read. He took his own blast. And before that, he wasn't effected by anything. Obviously the blast had some effect. Seeing as how She-Hulk and Namor couldn't do a damned thing before hand. And all it did was knock him down... and he proceeded to one shot everyone directly after. If you think getting knocked down is the ultimate low feat on his end, then I don't think you've ever read a comic Prime has appeared in... ever.
You're making things up:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2qvgri1.jpgBut yes, spout off opinions like She-Hulk/Namor being more powerful than Zeus' own Skyfather level attacks. Because that's your argument; Zeus can tank Skyfather level blasts, but he loses to She-Hulk/Namor and then a hammer throw by Thor. Because that makes sense, doesn't it?
OK, so seeing as I don't know about this, then enlighten me. Post the scans where Zeus loses to Kingpin. Hell, even post a scan where Kingpin appears in the same page as Zeus and I'll check out the rest on my own. As it is now though, I feel you have no merit at all, so feel free to show me some light. 🙂
Zeus is no more magical than Zauriel is. If he's hitting him with magic, we're led to believe he can tank it. But as we've seen, a magical being can hurt Prime as long as he isn't actively using magic. IE, Zeus. Zeus "amping himself" is a myth. But even if he did, that wouldn't make everything he did magical.
Also the implication that Zeus can hurt him as long as he doesn't amp his strength with magic is hilarious. Apparently if Zauriel would have had his fists encased in magic and his strength went up two hundred fold the punch would have no longer have hurt Prime?
Where does that end? If Superman was magically amped to sundipped levels, he would fail to cause any damage to Prime in the slightest?You just used a Hercules grabbing Zeus from behind, because you thought that was a low showing. You apparently think Namor/She-Hulk > Zeus, and you used that as a low showing. And you apparently think Prime is a better fighter than Kingpin because of the yet to be seen true scene of Zeus losing to him while depowered.
But yes, play dumb (or not, hard to tell).And no, I'm not saying Zeus wins or loses, but he has more than enough feats to go against the bullshit you're spitting out.
Owned.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's NOT the Guardian amped version, jeez louise...
oh its the golden statue.
well the golden statue wins without any trouble at all.
kal kent will destroy zeus and kal kent along with the entire dynasty is empowered by golden superman.
that crap really confusing its like when ever you see superman prime you cant understand if its goldboy or guardian amped.
same with superman 1 million you never can guess if its golden or kal kent
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, just carver wanking him because he beat hulk like usual.
Me saying that Zeus can beat Prime, WBH, Superman, etc...doesn't mean that I am wanking him. I just think Zeus is that good AND I'm not the only one that voted for him. Don't know what is up with you and Insane consistently bringing my name up. Dang, I know I'm hot but me looking like this isn't to attract males.
Originally posted by carver9
Me saying that Zeus can beat Prime, WBH, Superman, etc...doesn't mean that I am wanking him, dork. I just think Zeus is that good AND I'm not the only one that voted for him. Don't know what is up with you and Insane consistently bringing my name up. Dang, I know I'm hot but me looking like this isn't to attract males.
Originally posted by wolverinosConcession accepted. I'm glad to know you can't prove something you claim is common knowledge.
are you retarded on purpose? its like saying prove zattana use magic or prove doom mordru use magic, i am not even going to bother with such low idioticy at this point.
it is known to any comic book reader that zeus weild magic powers, if you believe his powers are something extra to magic then you have to prove it and yes the burden of proof is on you.i dont care about the depiction of the fight, facts are hercules physically took zeus down to the ground.
really? you go for the tactic "instead of proving your point lowball the other side", thats lame. prime broke down half of the DC super heroes roster along with the teen titans, his 95% of showings say that fight was PIS.
please then show me the 95% of showings that say the zeus part is PIS.he took his own blas and? he was only mad and said you dare? there was no mentioning or any hint that for some reason he became weaker due to that. fact of the matter is a bunch of low heralds beat him ass down to the ground where he belongs.
superboy getting a bloody lip doesnt change anything, he still pummled every freakin body. again the low ball the other team is an idiotic tactic please stay on topic.
you should work on your reading comprehension and fast. i brought a feat of 3 low heralds knock his ass down, and you interpret it somehow by saying i said they are more powerful than him? this is pathetic go take some reading classes.
i never meant to say zeus is weaker than those guys, my whole point was the fact those guys can do something like that to him which put him below the level people are trying to portray him.
also the fact those are among his only fighting feats which again doesnt do him any good at all.i dont have the comics nor will i search the entire web for your ass, either take my word or search it yourself, fact of the matter is zeus got treated like a b**** by kingpin get over it.
again, zuriel is an angel with magical abilities and a sword, however it doesnt mean everything about zuriel is magical. his punches are just punches, his sword however is magical.
now when discussing zeus amping his punches with magic that does mean his punches will be magical and therefor wont effect prime.
and i am still waiting for the scans of zuriel hurting prime, i thing you are just lying because as far as i remember zuriel only fought prime once and it was the time where zuriel was trying to hurt prime with his sword and prime laughed it off post the scans.now the funniest thing is... you ready? this is average prime we are discussing and i still counter everything you say, and you cant provide anything for zues to handle prime, not a single thing you can say for zeus.
however the ironic part is that initially the prime was discussed is the guardian amped version who will just murder rape zeus 😆
So you don't care why Hercules took Zeus down even though it had to do with grabbing him from behind? Yet you start weeping when I point out low level heroes punching Prime around? You've utterly defeated your own point. Getting thrown around isn't a low feat.
I never said it was a low feat on Zeus' or Prime's part. I just said getting knocked around doesn't prove anything. Hell, in that scene Prime claimed he was unharmed. Yet he got knocked around more violently than Zeus did.
No his feats don't. He's always been knocked around by low level heroes. But there's a difference between getting knocked around, or grappled in Zeus' case, and getting actually hurt. Neither were hurt in either case, yet you're so blinded by stupidity to a point where you actually think getting thrown around is a low feat... especially when Zeus wasn't even paying attention to Hercules.
Also, I love how you figure you can just lowball, and then shoot blood out of your anus when you think anyone else does the same.
Your next point has you saying that She-Hulk/Namor are more powerful than Zeus. Which not only goes against every of Zeus' other feats, but everything in the arc itself, including the scene of She-Hulk/Namor hitting him. You want to talk about 95 percent like you know anything about comics, then look no farther to an entire arc of Zeus being completely unaffected by heroes until he gets hit by his own blast, and then proceeds to knock all the heroes out anyway.
He took his own blasts and screamed out in pain which you claimed didn't effect him. Before that, this happened:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_06a.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg
So there's way more justification that he was weakened or stunned by his blast than he wasn't. And there's also the fact that you are currently seriously arguing that Namor/She-Hulk are more powerful than Zeus, which borders on complete retardation. In your blind stupidity hissy fit you fail to realize that yes, Zeus' own blast would inflict more damage on him than two heroes who he easily KO'ed repeatedly throughout the arc.
Originally posted by wolverinosI had to quote this so I could point out how stupid this is.
superboy getting a bloody lip doesnt change anything, he still pummled every freakin body. again the low ball the other team is an idiotic tactic please stay on topic.
You think Prime crying and getting a bloody lip doesn't matter because he still won, yet you think Zeus getting grappled by Hercules, and Zeus getting put on his knees after a skyfather level blast and Namor (Superboy level being) and She-Hulk and a hammer throw is a deciding feat? Even though he knocked out all of them directly after? Yes Prime still won, but considering you think Zeus getting even the tiniest bit damaged but still winning easily is an ultimate low... You just show you're a massive hypocrite with a tenuous grasp on logic in general.
Also, Prime bleeding from Superboy isn't lowballing you meathead. It's happened in everyone of their fights. Which is 3 to my count. He even cut a scar in Superboy's chest. Actually it's more than 3, but I didn't want to bring up Prime's last fight against the Titans...
No no no, you should work on your reading comprehension. You just stated that Zeus' no sold his own blast getting turned back on him, yet you feel She-Hulk/Namor can beat the utter shit out of him on their own. If I didn't previously spell it out all over my last two posts, I'd retell it again.
Oh what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
Originally posted by wolverinos
aside of that it wasnt stated nor was it hinted that he was even injured after that blast, he just took it and was perfectly fine.
yes he did read recend hercules arcs.
Originally posted by wolverinos
getting knocked down by she hulk and thing?
Originally posted by wolverinos
fact of the matter is a bunch of low heralds beat him ass down to the ground where he belongs.
There's more, but even with your meager brain, you should be able to see where you said they are more powerful than Zeus' blast.
Those aren't his only fighting feats... but seeing as you brought it up... Zeus pretty much no sold a cheapshot from WWH, but apparently WWH can't match that She-Hulk/Namor power.
On that note, I recall you stating that Hulk would beat Galactus in h2h... which on its own is odd, but considering your stance on Zeus, it's even odder. Though with your already likely odd shaped head, it wouldn't be the oddest.
Well, considering Kingpin would absolutely destroy a powerless Superboy Prime, and probably accidentally kill him, I'm not getting how that's supposed to be a low showing.
However, with you being a liar, and you inability to prove anything, I severely question it happening at all, and I'm not even going to look to see if it happened considering you're about as trustworthy as a screwdriver in the dickhole.
Originally posted by wolverinosHow in the shit is that any different from Zeus? Making up when Zeus "amps" and when he uses "magic" doesn't change the fact that he is almost exactly the same as Zauriel... if you could prove Zeus that everything Zeus does is magical to begin with. Glowy fists doesn't change that, and even without glowy fists his punches still did the same amount to Hulk.
again, zuriel is an angel with magical abilities and a sword, however it doesnt mean everything about zuriel is magical. his punches are just punches, his sword however is magical.
now when discussing zeus amping his punches with magic that does mean his punches will be magical and therefor wont effect prime.
I don't know if you can't see pictures or what... or if you don't know what Zauriel looks like - Actually, that's probably likely - but I just posted Zauriel hurting Prime.
Here's the full page:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ll1x0i.jpg
As you can see in the next panel that hand that rocks Prime's head back when he says it hurts is the one of that winged man. The winged man is actually an angel from Heaven. His name is Zauriel.
Also a fun factoid for you sport, is that a magic lasso was choking Prime in that comic. Which shouldn't be possible seeing as magic added to anything should suddenly make Prime invincible. Hell, Superman could be knocking all of Prime's teeth out, but if Zatanna started amping Superman, he'd suddenly lose all effect against Prime. Amirite?
http://i40.tinypic.com/21epx81.jpg
I'm pretty sure you couldn't counter not getting shit on your pants with a diaper, let alone my posts. As evidenced here.
And I'm not even saying Zeus wins or loses as I said in the part you just replied to with this dribble for whatever reason... just the things you're saying are bullshit. As well as the notion that Zeus can't hurt Prime because you think he's super magic guy number 1 and magic suddenly makes Prime's toehair stand as erect as your penis staring at Prime's lusty eyes.
Originally posted by Sundipped
While all that may be true, this "instant" took longer than what the typical definition implies.
"And all the while the wrathful Zeus doth rant and rage"
"All the while" doesn't really tell us much of use about the length of their fight; it just tells us that Zeus was ranting for the duration of their fight, whatever that may have been.
"All the while" was during the months said to have passed by.
Sure, but we are explicitly told in three separate ways that the months that passed below didn't pass for Thor and Zeus so that doesn't really change anything.
Zeus compared Thor's might during that test of power to the combined might of ALL of the Titans. To rant, rage, and make this assessment no doubt takes more than an "instant".
They'd already been fighting for a few pages and Zeus had marvelled at Thor's refusal to stay down a couple of times by the time we came to the energy duel.
It's obvious the energy duel goes on for a while but there's no evidence for it being anything longer than a standard comic fight.
What clues does the comic actually give us as to how much time passes?
In the first panel of their energy duel, we are told "a second" passes.
Next panel, the time distortion effect kicks in and the narration tells us that months pass below while only an instant passes for Thor and Zeus.
The narration then goes on to tell us a second time that further "long months" pass by below - meaning for Thor and Zeus, more "instants" must have passed too.
There is obviously a fair deal of ambiguity about how long the fight is exactly. The one thing we can say for a cast-iron fact is that the fight does not last for months. But we can make some other inferences IMHO. Cumulatively, the narration provides the clues to tell us that the energy duel lasted longer than a single instant, absolutely... but nothing to suggest it was a particularly long encounter either. The only measurements of time used to describe their battle are very small ones, in conscious contrast to the long time measurements used for the battle below.
This was massive power output for whatever time period between the two and when you take Zeus' statements at face value and the fact that Thor was shown down in a fatigued state directly afterwards, then it's highly unlikely that there was much holding back (if any) done by either side.
Well Thor was already looking in a pretty bad way before he triggered the energy battle (after Zeus grabs his arm and slams him into the floor).
Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath of Thor fans, I think there is actually a whole heap of evidence that Zeus is holding back quite a bit in that fight. In fact he explicitly states that his attacks aren't intended to kill Thor at one point. He spends most of the fight trying to convince Thor to give up as he obviously can't win and the fight is pointless. The fight ends with Zeus having apparently decisively won the energy duel off-panel, with Thor knocked down and not defending himself, and Zeus again trying to get him to quit - none of this really fits the typical definition of a fighter going "all-out" IMHO.
Cheers.
