Originally posted by quanchi112
Saruman bested him. He then took his staff since he beat him. Saruman didn't get lucky he straight up beat him.Gandalf lost straight up. Saruman held no advantage over him. Both have staffs and Gandalf lost. Thats it. I'm not ignoring context. I never do.
Gandalf is rather weak but keep championing the guy who runs from orcs.
That is correct, Saruman bested Gandalf, he didn't as you claim earlier easily defeat him. Unless you think that a guy that hits four times is getting owned by one that hits him five.
Except he cheapshotted him to begin with, and after Gandalf had just tossed him through a door nicked his staff. Saruman didn't defeat Gandalf with his staff like Sauron did. Clear difference, but then again what did I expect...
For a guy that doesn't ignore context to give that statement is just... but nice ignoring the questions though.
Agree to disagree.