Thor vs Dr. Manhatten

Originally posted by Supra
go read the comic book, he is in having unlimited power; able to do anything. create anything, and destroy even his own creations and able to create life itself

show me him being harmed and not recovereing from it, i can show you plenty of times thor gets whaled on..

I love thor more then most but a beat down is a beat down

Manhattan claimed a lot of those things but didn't show it. Silver Surfer has just as much hyperbolic statements of his power and actually has the feats to show for it, too. And Surfer has been stalemated and beaten by Thor.

You have to realize that by Manhattan living in a world with no superpowers other than his own, of course he's going to look godlike.

I mean, if Thor can absorb energy from a universal entity such as the Phoenix Force, or absorb energy from a bomb capable of destroying a galaxy, there's really nothing to suggest he can't absorb the energy of Manhattan, who is just composed of atomic energy...paltry in comparison to the sources of energy Thor has contained.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Manhattan claimed a lot of those things but didn't show it. Silver Surfer has just as much hyperbolic statements of his power and actually has the feats to show for it, too. And Surfer has been stalemated and beaten by Thor.

You have to realize that by Manhattan living in a world with no superpowers other than his own, of course he's going to look godlike.

I mean, if Thor can absorb energy from a universal entity such as the Phoenix Force, or absorb energy from a bomb capable of destroying a galaxy, there's really nothing to suggest he can't absorb the energy of Manhattan, who is just composed of atomic energy...paltry in comparison to the sources of energy Thor has contained.

he had so much power he said "if there is a god, i am surely not him"

yet he cannot be killed..

Originally posted by Supra
go read the comic book, he is in having unlimited power; able to do anything. create anything, and destroy even his own creations and able to create life itself

show me him being harmed and not recovereing from it, i can show you plenty of times thor gets whaled on..

I love thor more then most but a beat down is a beat down

Originally posted by iceman24567
He was never harmed because in his universe no superhuman beings were present...except HIM. Thousands of people died and he couldnt do shit about. Thor traps him in his hammer

We resorting to cussing now to fill blanks in knowledge?

Originally posted by Supra
When did I say he was using energy blasts and even if he can effect the intangible he reforms himself as many times as he wants..he can go into other dimensions not even thor could follow..based on he had no clue where he went after dispersing him..

DM cannot be killed..

Again, Thor can and has absorbed energy beings, please note that I specified energy beings and not energy blasts...in case you missed it...Thor can and has absorbed energy beings.

BTW, Thor can and has teleoprted bewteen dimensions.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, Thor can and has absorbed energy beings, please note that I specified energy beings and not energy blasts...in case you missed it...Thor can and has absorbed energy beings.

BTW, Thor can and has teleoprted bewteen dimensions.

Yes I know he has but how can he find and chose which one DM phases to? Can Thor now sense energy in other dimensions?

Originally posted by Supra
he had so much power he said "if there is a god, i am surely not him"

yet he cannot be killed..

Manhattan says a lot of shit, though. I can find dozens of examples of Surfer monologuing over the Power Cosmic and how his power knows no limits. Hell, I can find plenty of examples of Thor monologuing over how mighty he is. Thing is, both Surfer and Thor have tons of feats at least backing up their claims. Manhattan doesn't. And again, he lives in a world with no other superpowered beings.

He can't be killed in the sense that, typically, energy cannot be created or destroyed as science would tell us. In the world of comics, that's not true. A sufficiently powerful enough energy manipulator would just absorb Manhattan or dissipate him. And the likes of Thor and Surfer are exponentially more powerful than the machines that briefly dispersed Manhattan.

Originally posted by Supra
We resorting to cussing now to fill blanks in knowledge?

Originally posted by Supra
Yes I know he has but how can he find and chose which one DM phases to? Can Thor now sense energy in other dimensions?

Mjolnir can, yes.

It's tracking abilities transcend dimensions and have for, well, pretty much since Thor was created as a character. Furthermore, if Manhattan warps to another dimension, leaving the battleground, that would be a self BFR.

Originally posted by Supra
Yes I know he has but how can he find and chose which one DM phases to? Can Thor now sense energy in other dimensions?

As a matter of fact, yes...Thor can and has used Mjolnir to track.

Dr Manhattan doesn't even reform that quick...

And considering he was ripped to shreds by things nowhere near Thor level... that doesn't exactly bode well. After the 3rd or 4th time Thor tears him apart (and assuming we just wait around for Dr Manhattan to reform), he either absorbs him, or sends him into the sun like he's done before.

Also to the people that think reforming means you can't lose no matter the time, do you also think someone being knocked out for a comic page and getting up is proof that they can't be knocked out?

Although, imagine even someone like a noob Firestorm in that series. He'd be capable of EVERYTHING Dr Manhattan was and more, seeing as he probably wouldn't have been destroyed in the first place

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Manhattan says a lot of shit, though. I can find dozens of examples of Surfer monologuing over the Power Cosmic and how his power knows no limits. Hell, I can find plenty of examples of Thor monologuing over how mighty he is. Thing is, both Surfer and Thor have tons of feats at least backing up their claims. Manhattan doesn't. And again, he lives in a world with no other superpowered beings.

He can't be killed in the sense that, typically, energy cannot be created or destroyed as science would tell us. In the world of comics, that's not true. A sufficiently powerful enough energy manipulator would just absorb Manhattan or dissipate him. And the likes of Thor and Surfer are exponentially more powerful than the machines that briefly dispersed Manhattan.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Dr Manhattan doesn't even reform that quick...

And considering he was ripped to shreds by things nowhere near Thor level... that doesn't exactly bode well. After the 3rd or 4th time Thor tears him apart (and assuming we just wait around for Dr Manhattan to reform), he either absorbs him, sends him into the sun like he's done before.

Also to the people that think reforming means you can't lose no matter the time, do you also think someone being knocked out for a comic page and getting up is proof that they can't be knocked out?

Although, imagine even someone like a noob Firestorm in that series. He'd be capable of EVERYTHING Dr Manhattan was and more, seeing as he probably wouldn't have been destroyed in the first place

I will only debate with you two now as you are the only here who knows what they are talking about in this thread.

IF he cannot be killed and can transfer his energy when disbursed and re formed..how does he lost?

One thing if I may, if we are going to talk about Thor vs DM can we leave out SS and others here..this is about DM and Thor..

IF Thor dissipates him even though energy cannot be destroyed then he would ultimately reform correct?

Originally posted by Silent Master
As a matter of fact, yes...Thor can and has used Mjolnir to track.

Originally posted by Supra
I will only debate with you two now as you are the only here who knows what they are talking about in this thread.

IF he cannot be killed and can transfer his energy when disbursed and re formed..how does he lost?

One thing if I may, if we are going to talk about Thor vs DM can we leave out SS and others here..this is about DM and Thor..

IF Thor dissipates him even though energy cannot be destroyed then he would ultimately reform correct?

Everything you said is applicable to Thor getting KO'ed. He will eventually get up. And I'd count a KO as less extreme than getting blasted to molecules. Also, the fact that Dr Manhattan pulls his pieces back together implies it would be even longer had he been completely scattered farther distances

Although I gave two perfectly reasonable ways for Thor win without counting on the length of time Dr Manhattan stays down.

Originally posted by Supra
I will only debate with you two now as you are the only here who knows what they are talking about in this thread.

IF he cannot be killed and can transfer his energy when disbursed and re formed..how does he lost?

One thing if I may, if we are going to talk about Thor vs DM can we leave out SS and others here..this is about DM and Thor..

IF Thor dissipates him even though energy cannot be destroyed then he would ultimately reform correct?

Again, Thor can and has absorbed energy beings....what part of this are you having trouble underestanding?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, Thor can and has absorbed energy beings....what part of this are you having trouble underestanding?

Stop harassing the poor guy, you @$$holes.

uhuh

Originally posted by Supra
I will only debate with you now as you are the only here who knows what they are talking about in this thread.

IF he cannot be killed and can transfer his energy when disbursed and re formed..how does he lost?

One thing if I may, if we are going to talk about Thor vs DM can we leave out SS and others here..this is about DM and Thor..

IF Thor dissipates him even though energy cannot be destroyed then he would ultimately reform correct?

I do have a Doom sig/avatar. mmm

The thing to realize here is that, according to the Watchmen universe, Manhattan is effectively unkillable by their means. They don't have the ridiculous supertech the likes of which Marvel or DC has. They also don't have the insane superpowered beings that either company has. It's a very grounded take on superheroics.

The other thing to take into account is that Thor and Mjolnir specifically spit in the face of science and logic simply by existing. He's a god from myth and Mjolnir is a magically enchanted weapon of among the highest order. Many of the rules of science do not apply to either of them. If Thor incapacitates Manhattan long enough for a forum victory, Manhattan would lose. If he's absorbed into Mjolnir or scattered across time and space, he wouldn't be able to reform, arguably ever considering the scale in which Mjolnir can do these things.

Bringing up Silver Surfer is a very valid point, though. Surfer possesses many of the powers and abilities of Manhattan and to grander scales than what Manhattan displayed. And Thor has a winning record against him. It's perfectly logical to bring up the people Thor has beaten to argue in favor of him.

Typically, energy can't be destroyed, but Mjolnir is magic and as such is capable of feats that defy science and logic. Even if Manhattan can eventually reform, Thor is powerful enough to disperse and/or absorb Manhattan to such a degree he would be able to fight, therefore making Thor the inevitable winner in a battle.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I do have a Doom sig/avatar. mmm

The thing to realize here is that, according to the Watchmen universe, Manhattan is effectively unkillable by their means. They don't have the ridiculous supertech the likes of which Marvel or DC has. They also don't have the insane superpowered beings that either company has. It's a very grounded take on superheroics.

The other thing to take into account is that Thor and Mjolnir specifically spit in the face of science and logic simply by existing. He's a god from myth and Mjolnir is a magically enchanted weapon of among the highest order. Many of the rules of science do not apply to either of them. If Thor incapacitates Manhattan long enough for a forum victory, Manhattan would lose. If he's absorbed into Mjolnir or scattered across time and space, he wouldn't be able to reform, arguably ever considering the scale in which Mjolnir can do these things.

Bringing up Silver Surfer is a very valid point, though. Surfer possesses many of the powers and abilities of Manhattan and to grander scales than what Manhattan displayed. And Thor has a winning record against him. It's perfectly logical to bring up the people Thor has beaten to argue in favor of him.

Typically, energy can't be destroyed, but Mjolnir is magic and as such is capable of feats that defy science and logic. Even if Manhattan can eventually reform, Thor is powerful enough to disperse and/or absorb Manhattan to such a degree he would be able to fight, therefore making Thor the inevitable winner in a battle.

But I digress. Best to go off proof, instead of making shit up like the Dr Manhattan supporters.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I do have a Doom sig/avatar. mmm

The thing to realize here is that, according to the Watchmen universe, Manhattan is effectively unkillable by their means. They don't have the ridiculous supertech the likes of which Marvel or DC has. They also don't have the insane superpowered beings that either company has. It's a very grounded take on superheroics.

The other thing to take into account is that Thor and Mjolnir specifically spit in the face of science and logic simply by existing. He's a god from myth and Mjolnir is a magically enchanted weapon of among the highest order. Many of the rules of science do not apply to either of them. If Thor incapacitates Manhattan long enough for a forum victory, Manhattan would lose. If he's absorbed into Mjolnir or scattered across time and space, he wouldn't be able to reform, arguably ever considering the scale in which Mjolnir can do these things.

Bringing up Silver Surfer is a very valid point, though. Surfer possesses many of the powers and abilities of Manhattan and to grander scales than what Manhattan displayed. And Thor has a winning record against him. It's perfectly logical to bring up the people Thor has beaten to argue in favor of him.

Typically, energy can't be destroyed, but Mjolnir is magic and as such is capable of feats that defy science and logic. Even if Manhattan can eventually reform, Thor is powerful enough to disperse and/or absorb Manhattan to such a degree he would be able to fight, therefore making Thor the inevitable winner in a battle.

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