Thor vs Dr. Manhatten

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
All of this is assuming Dr Manhattan can't be KO'ed in the first place. I mean, just because the only things that damaged him destroyed him, that doesn't say he can't lose consciousness. Because we all know how that works in comics.
Manhattan would probably end up receiving a mollywhopping KO from Superman the first time they met.

But I digress. Best to go off proof, instead of making shit up like the Dr Manhattan supporters.

Oh, I have no doubt that the likes of Thor would physically hurt him with a punch, let alone with Mjolnir. As you said, comics routinely show us that beings made out of energy can be hurt and even KO'd.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Which goes onto the KO'ed example.

Everything you said is applicable to Thor getting KO'ed. He will eventually get up. And I'd count a KO as less extreme than getting blasted to molecules. Also, the fact that Dr Manhattan pulls his pieces back together implies it would be even longer had he been completely scattered farther distances

Although I gave two perfectly reasonable ways for Thor win without counting on the length of time Dr Manhattan stays down.

Ok I agree with you, those..

Now how come DM cannot disintegrate Thor in the same way? He commands the atoms and energy itself which bind Thors makeup does he not?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I do have a Doom sig/avatar. mmm

The thing to realize here is that, according to the Watchmen universe, Manhattan is effectively unkillable by their means. They don't have the ridiculous supertech the likes of which Marvel or DC has. They also don't have the insane superpowered beings that either company has. It's a very grounded take on superheroics.

The other thing to take into account is that Thor and Mjolnir specifically spit in the face of science and logic simply by existing. He's a god from myth and Mjolnir is a magically enchanted weapon of among the highest order. Many of the rules of science do not apply to either of them. If Thor incapacitates Manhattan long enough for a forum victory, Manhattan would lose. If he's absorbed into Mjolnir or scattered across time and space, he wouldn't be able to reform, arguably ever considering the scale in which Mjolnir can do these things.

Bringing up Silver Surfer is a very valid point, though. Surfer possesses many of the powers and abilities of Manhattan and to grander scales than what Manhattan displayed. And Thor has a winning record against him. It's perfectly logical to bring up the people Thor has beaten to argue in favor of him.

Typically, energy can't be destroyed, but Mjolnir is magic and as such is capable of feats that defy science and logic. Even if Manhattan can eventually reform, Thor is powerful enough to disperse and/or absorb Manhattan to such a degree he would be able to fight, therefore making Thor the inevitable winner in a battle.

You have proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt with your knowledge that DM would lose..

Thank you for helping me understand things I wish to learn about

Originally posted by Supra
Ok I agree with you, those..

Now come come DM cannot disintegrate Thor in the same way? He commands the atoms and energy itself which bind Thors makeup does he not?

Because 1) Dr Manhattan has no feats of doing so to someone/thing with Thor's durability and 2) Thor actually has feats where he's resisted being transmuted

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because 1) Dr Manhattan has no feats of doing so to someone/thing with Thor's durability and 2) Thor actually has feats where he's resisted being transmuted

Now I know, thank you

Originally posted by Supra
Ok I agree with you, those..

Now come come DM cannot disintegrate Thor in the same way? He commands the atoms and energy itself which bind Thors makeup does he not?

In the world of comics, most beings with superhuman strength and durability are strong and tough because of their atomic structure being much much more denser and "tougher" as a result.

The Destroyer Armor actually has a disintegration ray as its primary weapon and couldn't disintegrate Thor. It eventually killed him in one of their battles, sure, but physically, Thor's body was still intact. And again, Manhattan was able to disperse human beings with no super powers or enhanced atomic structure and tanks. Doing that is one thing. Disintegrating, let alone killing someone with ridiculous energy resistance feats like Thor is something else entirely.

Originally posted by Supra
You have proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt with your knowledge that DM would lose..

Thank you for helping me understand things I wish to learn about

👆

No problem.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In the world of comics, most beings with superhuman strength and durability are strong and tough because of their atomic structure being much much more denser and "tougher" as a result.

The Destroyer Armor actually has a disintegration ray as its primary weapon and couldn't disintegrate Thor. It eventually killed him in one of their battles, sure, but physically, Thor's body was still intact. And again, Manhattan was able to disperse human beings with no super powers or enhanced atomic structure and tanks. Doing that is one thing. Disintegrating, let alone killing someone with ridiculous energy resistance feats like Thor is something else entirely.

So Thor can die but his body is still intact..how does that work I do not understand that

Ummm... nonviable thread? Manhattan feats vs any other herald are non-existent and we never see him push the upper limits of his capabilities so I don't see how he even be used in a herald vs herald fight he just doesn't have the feats. I mean there is nothing that says he has energy absorbtion immunity or not, his projection/molecular manip has nothing to contest it so yeah.... I don't see how you can argue him as for anything besides classifying his perceived powerset as herald level.

Originally posted by Supra
So Thor can die but his body is still intact..how does that work I do not understand that

He experiences pain and trauma like most beings do (though his tolerance for both are obviously extreme), but his body is just that durable enough to exist. In the case of the Destroyer Armor, his body is pretty burnt up and mangled, but still physically intact.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He experiences pain and trauma like most beings do (though his tolerance for both are obviously extreme), but his body is just that durable enough to exist. In the case of the Destroyer Armor, his body is pretty burnt up and mangled, but still physically intact.

So Thor truly is an immortal for his body cannot be destroyed even by disintegration and thus he can return to his lifeless body because of the Magics of Odin?

Thor can never truly never cease to exist then..

Originally posted by Supra
So Thor truly is an immortal for his body cannot be destroyed even by disintegration and thus he can return to his lifeless body because of the Magics of Odin?

Thor can never truly never cease to exist then..

Technically, Thor's immortality is linked to the Golden Apples of Iduun, all are all Asgardians (though some writers make them less dependant on this than others). His body CAN be destroyed, mind you, it just takes a powerful enough being/attack to do so. The Destroyer Armor was powerful enough to kill Thor, just not completely vaporize him.

The Odin Force did revive Thor, though, restoring his soul back to his body and fully healed. That said, he can be killed and even completely obliterated by something/someone powerful enough to do it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That said, he can be killed and even completely obliterated by something/someone powerful enough to do it.

Which we have yet to see in print?

thor unless manhatan produces feats to match his implied power levels

Thor.

I was going to do a write up, but my Doombot Jake has already done so.

Thanks, Doombot!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He uses energy absorption a lot. And he's absorbed living energy before. It's not even an OOC tactic for him.

Thor can effect intangible beings and can teleport himself and others, too, for the record.

Manhattan looking in the future doesn't mean he can change the outcome of the inevitable. Kinda the whole point of Watchmen. Thor can do plenty to him, too.

DM is made of solid matter just like Surfer is. Thor doesn't absorb solid matter beings. Thor absorbs energy blasts, explosions, and drains energy from devices. Sorry but I don't see Thor pointing Mjolnir at DM and absorbing him into the hammer. Otherwise he can do Surfer or any being in existence like that.

DM will become intangible to avoid an attack, nothing more.

Ozy prevented DM from seeing into the future to prevent him from stopping his plan. The inevitable is something DM can't stop even if he tried.

Why do you keep ignoring that Thor can effect intangible beings?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why do you keep ignoring that Thor can effect intangible beings?

Actually I curious. Are you referring to the Vision feat as a basis that Thor can affect intangible beings?

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't. I addressed it by saying that DM would only become intangible to avoid Thor's attacks. Thor wont use an intangible attack if DM is not intangible (because it would be useless). Rather he would use a normal attack.

If DM goes intangible, then Thor will start using attacks that will effect the intangible, which means that going intangible isn't going to help.

Now please stop ignoring facts.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If DM goes intangible, then Thor will start using attacks that will effect the intangible, which means that going intangible isn't going to help.

Now please stop ignoring facts.

DM will only be intangible to avoid the attack. He wouldn't stay that way. Also what feat or showing you are suggesting that proves Thor can affect the intangible? Is it the vision feat?