Lotr (movie universe) vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by BloodRain
Sorry bud, but ya just admitted slower beings can tag and kill wizards in this situation. Your admittance.

Still don't see a counter to Gorons and Twibeasts.

Thats because you're biased. If you feel like nothing can hurt either despite seeing the Potter films debate with you is pointless.

Exactly, so Gorons will be picking off wizards in this scenario.

Nah man, just waiting for you to show me magic with potancy above strong explosives.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Exactly, so Gorons will be picking off wizards in this scenario.

Nah man, just waiting for you to show me magic with potancy above strong explosives.

If I ignore punches for a few seconds that doesn't mean I can ignore them forever.

What sentence were you reading to draw that conclusion? I simply said Gorons and Twibeasts will be able to kill wizards in a superior manner than trolls and giants, in reply to this line of yours; "Gorons are too slow to touch them". In this part whether they can yank the magic or not means nothing, point was that they can and will be able to take down wizards in greater numbers than the trolls/giants could.

You seem to be mistaking 'resistance' with 'impervious'. If you could in fact tank a punch like no ones business, then sure, maybe after dozens of blows you'll feel the pain, but at that moment? Not even phased. Unless your point is that the HP crew will be standing there hurling countless spells at gorons only with the intention of slowing chipping down their resistance, then go for it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
What sentence were you reading to draw that conclusion? I simply said Gorons and Twibeasts will be able to kill wizards in a superior manner than trolls and giants, in reply to this line of yours; "Gorons are too slow to touch them". In this part whether they can yank the magic or not means nothing, point was that they can and will be able to take down wizards in greater numbers than the trolls/giants could.

You seem to be mistaking 'resistance' with 'impervious'. If you could in fact tank a punch like no ones business, then sure, maybe after dozens of blows you'll feel the pain, but at that moment? Not even phased. Unless your point is that the HP crew will be standing there hurling countless spells at gorons only with the intention of slowing chipping down their resistance, then go for it.

They can use Imperio and bend them to their will. More foot soldiers for the wizards here. They don't even have to kill them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We didn't see wizards being killed by Giants on top of the fact they were being attacked by other wizards and monsters. You're looking pads this along with the fact we don't see wizards killed by any of them. We see dead Giants proving the wizards have the power to kill bigger beings than Gorons.

They can use Imperio and bend them to their will. More foot soldiers for the wizards here. They don't even have to kill them.

Originally posted by quanchi112 [QUOTE=14637901]Originally posted by BloodRain
So a troll/giant /can/ kill wizards, sans flanking?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, they can but it isn't likely at all with their attention not being diverted.

You keep saying things like "you're looking past this" when that has nothing to do with the point I'm making, which is a extremely simple: If bumbling, slow creatures can rack up kill-counts, the faster ones will do better in a similar scenario. That's it.

Imperius. The curse that can be resisted via willpower, from either breaking off the spell or requiring the caster some time in order to even make it work.

Originally posted by BloodRain

[B]I am saying on a crowded battlefield along with wizards and other monsters the giants are more effective.

You keep saying things like "you're looking past this" when that has nothing to do with the point I'm making, which is a extremely simple: If bumbling, slow creatures can rack up kill-counts, the faster ones will do better in a similar scenario. That's it.

Imperius. The curse that can be resisted via willpower, from either breaking off the spell or requiring the caster some time in order to even make it work. [/B][/QUOTE] We don't see bigger giants rack up kill counts. Do you see one giant kill one wizard ?

We see Gorons lose their will before. They don't have strong willpower. We see it work instantly in Deathly Hallows part two.

You've already admitted that trolls and giants in that situation can get kills. Not sure what you're trying to do here now..

And we've also seen a 14 year old kid resist from powerful wizards..

Originally posted by BloodRain
You've already admitted that trolls and giants in that situation can get kills. Not sure what you're trying to do here now..

And we've also seen a 14 year old kid resist from powerful wizards..

We haven't seen a Goron resist anything. Try and pay attention.

Lol its your reasoning, remember? Really, I have to show you your words again?

BR- So a troll/giant /can/ kill wizards, sans flanking?

Qu- I am saying on a crowded battlefield along with wizards and other monsters the giants are more effective.

Qu- Well, they can but it isn't likely at all with their attention not being diverted.

They can, and, on a crowded battlefield, being the highlights.

14 year old boys willpower > most powerful HP wizard. Doesn't show much faith for this spell.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lol its your reasoning, remember? Really, I have to show you your words again?

BR- So a troll/giant /can/ kill wizards, sans flanking?

Qu- I am saying on a crowded battlefield along with wizards and other monsters the giants are more effective.

Qu- Well, they can but it isn't likely at all with their attention not being diverted.

They can, and, on a crowded battlefield, being the highlights.

14 year old boys willpower > most powerful HP wizard. Doesn't show much faith for this spell.

Willpower has nothing to do with overall power. Try and think objectively for a change.

"so it is a possibility" Exactly what I've been asking for..

And I'm talking about will. What are you on about. Not leading to another tangent rant are we?

Are we forgetting that nearly everyone in twilight princess is a magic user? Plus Gannondorf has his own army of the dead (which have been seen as phantoms and physical skeletons) and the only way to kill them is to use Wolf Form (which has the potency of a twili) or to blow the skeletons up with bombs... Last time I checked... there is only one bomb in Lotr...

Originally posted by BloodRain
"so it is a possibility" Exactly what I've been asking for..

And I'm talking about will. What are you on about. Not leading to another tangent rant are we?

You said most powerful and equates it to willpower. Entirely two different concepts.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Are we forgetting that nearly everyone in twilight princess is a magic user? Plus Gannondorf has his own army of the dead (which have been seen as phantoms and physical skeletons) and the only way to kill them is to use Wolf Form (which has the potency of a twili) or to blow the skeletons up with bombs... Last time I checked... there is only one bomb in Lotr...

We see much more powerful forces than just mere bombs.

The ghost army can't actually stop the Shadow Beasts, though, and with all the people they kill their numbers will swell.

Supported? I merely asked you a question. All this is from the answer you gave.

No I said the will of a teen could resist the curse of the top wizard. Even then apart from him the other nine are far weaker.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they aren't. Only a fee are while the rest are weaklings. Lotr has a ghost army which is much faster than anything in the Hylian army.

We see much more powerful forces than just mere bombs.

Gannondorf creates force fields around everyone's castles, raises the dead, turns bandits to his side, persuades some orcs to come to his side. Makes a punk out of the Witch King by touching his face. Makes Minus Tiruth crumble. Takes on Beast Form and Wrecks the Balrog. Ganondorf was made for Lotr universe.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The ghost army can't actually stop the Shadow Beasts, though, and with all the people they kill their numbers will swell.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Supported? I merely asked you a question. All this is from the answer you gave.

No I said the will of a teen could resist the curse of the top wizard. Even then apart from him the other nine are far weaker.