Originally posted by Rao Kal ElOne is doubting that Hulk would hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
This is what Rage saysAnd this is what carver says
So that is what BOTH are saying
The other is doubting that Hulk has historically hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
That is what they are saying.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElNeither of them are arguing Hulk feels no pain in his hands ever. If Wolverine cut his thumb, it'd hurt. If Mjolnir were to slam down on his pinky, it'd hurt. Neither has anything really to do with Hulk hurting his hands just punching Doomsday's face or body. And that's made fairly clear in their individual posts along with the full context of the ongoing conversation where they both pretty much have called you out on the strawman you've tried to force.
Strawman? They are saying that Hulk somehow cannot hurt his hands in a fight? and is exactly what happened.
All this time spent trying to argue against a proposition nobody cares about isn't getting you anywhere. You'd be better served trying to actually find a scan of Hulk hurting his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
Originally posted by ODG
One is doubting that Hulk would hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.The other is doubting that Hulk has historically hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
That is what they are saying. Neither of them are arguing Hulk feels no pain in his hands ever. If Wolverine cut his thumb, it'd hurt. If Mjolnir were to slam down on his pinky, it'd hurt. Neither has anything really to do with Hulk hurting his hands just punching Doomsday's face or body. And that's made fairly clear in their individual posts along with the full context of the ongoing conversation where they both pretty much have called you out on the strawman you've tried to force.
All this time spent trying to argue against a proposition nobody cares about isn't getting you anywhere. You'd be better served trying to actually find a scan of Hulk hurting his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
Yea big difference between Thor slamming hammer on his pinky with a cheap shot vs Hulk Smash on Doomsday face..
Have we all forgotten Superman went Blow for Blow with Doombot, and we are going to argue "my fingers hurt" 😆
Originally posted by ODG
One is doubting that Hulk would hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.The other is doubting that Hulk has historically hurt his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
That is what they are saying. Neither of them are arguing Hulk feels no pain in his hands ever. If Wolverine cut his thumb, it'd hurt. If Mjolnir were to slam down on his pinky, it'd hurt. Neither has anything really to do with Hulk hurting his hands just punching Doomsday's face or body. And that's made fairly clear in their individual posts along with the full context of the ongoing conversation where they both pretty much have called you out on the strawman you've tried to force.
All this time spent trying to argue against a proposition nobody cares about isn't getting you anywhere. You'd be better served trying to actually find a scan of Hulk hurting his hands punching someone like Doomsday.
No, Rage is saying that he doubts that GREY Hulk will hurt his hands fighting Doomsday
Carver says that Hulk has NEVER (historically) hurt his hands punching ANYTHING
Like I said Rage position is less extreme, but both are wrong.
And I do care about the proposition because Carver and his minions do this a lot of times. But I have to make sure I have Carver where I want him, so He can't backtrack and change arguments like He always does.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Before I continue answering to this silly idea of Rage and Carver that Hulk's hands do not feel pain or that is impossible for hulk to feel pain while punching.I just want to double check if this is where you both stand on the issue.
I say Hulk will hurt his hands because Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday, since I believe Superman is stronger and more durable than Hulk, I say that Hulk is more likely to hurt his hands fighting Doomsday.
You guys apparently are saying that Hulk will not hurt his hands while fighting Doomsday because apparently Carver says that Hulk somehow has never feel pain in his hands and thus it is impossible for hulk o feel pain, Rage is somewhere on the same stance.
So just to double check, Is this the stand you both are taking?
Because so far Carver has been backtracking as usual
You're not even making any sense. No one said that Hulk's hands cannot feel pain. I'm simply saying that there is almost no chance they'd feel pain punching Doomsday. If you disagree, I can list all the times Hulk's faced beings as strong/tough as Doomsday or more so and not felt any damage. Heck, Thor who's not quite as strong as Hulk has a history of trading blows with the f*cking Destroyer.
Superman is NOT stronger or as strong as Hulk, especially while holding back during the Bryne era. And again, that Superman scan is an anomaly more then anything else as we see Maxima and Bloodwynd landing blows.
Also, where exactly do you think this argument is going to lead to? Punching Doomsday could be fracturing fingers on Hulk's hands but so what? Exactly what will this accomplish except Hulk getting angrier and stronger? Do you think Hulk is a stranger to some small amount to pain and will suddenly falter? Even in the scans you posted Superman kept pushing through and he's no Hulk.
Originally posted by Supra👆
Yea big difference between Thor slamming hammer on his pinky with a cheap shot vs Hulk Smash on Doomsday face..Have we all forgotten Superman went Blow for Blow with Doombot, and we are going to argue "my fingers hurt" 😆
If it matters, rather than Mjolnir swinging into his fist, here's a scene where Hulk punches Mjolnir when it's used to just block his punch -- and it doesn't hurt Hulk:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThor23Thor385.jpg
And here's where Hulk punches the Destroyer, also built of enchanted uru, and not hurting his fist:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsDestroyer05.jpg
So, I mean, yes, there is a subtle difference between punching a durable person, punching a durable object, and getting your fist hit by a durable object. A difference that seems to have been lost here. But I'd argue that it wasn't accidental. It was purposeful. Just purposefully strawmanning the actual discussion.
Originally posted by ODG
^ So you just showed the exact scene I announced -- like two posts ago -- that you would try to use to disprove a strawman nobody has even argued for and that has been repeatedly pointed out.Good job validating exactly how pointless this avenue was. 👆
And how is that bad? You knew it, because You do read comics.
Other's don't and that is why they claim that historically hulk has never hurt his hands.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElFixed for accuracy.
No, Rage is saying that he doubts that GREY Hulk will hurt his hands fighting DoomsdayCarver
saysdoubts that Hulk hasNEVER (historically) hurt his hands punchingANYTHINGSOMEONE like Doomsday
Now go ahead and address what they said instead of what you want them to have said.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElProve it then.
Like I said Rage position is less extreme, but both are wrong.And I do care about the proposition because Carver and his minions do this a lot of times. But I have to make sure I have Carver where I want him, so He can't backtrack and change arguments like He always does.
You care about the proposition you forced onto the discussion. It's become rather clear that you don't care what they're actually arguing though. There's a difference. And the language barrier can only account for so much when it's been pointed out several times.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And how is that bad? You knew it, because You do read comics.Other's don't and that is why they claim that historically hulk has never hurt his hands.
There is a big difference between Thor swinging Mjolnir (And I'm not sure why it was brought up because Doomsday is no enchanted Uru) at Hulk's fists and Hulk punching Doomsday's body.
If you cannot understand that, you need to take a step back bro.
Originally posted by ODG
Just purposefully strawmanning the actual discussion.
Yes I just went through all the scans, did not see any ouch when he fist stops the hammer...then thrashes thor some more..The last thing Hulk is thinking about is his hands other then when they are smashing Doombots face in.
Not To Mention SS will AMP if necessary and then proceed to wreck bot some more, then he gets off his board, turn that into a hammer and starts wrecking doom some more..
There is no option here but loss for Doomsday. Any other arguing about "fingers hurting" is complete nonsense and trolling..
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI know that when someone swings a powerful Skyfather-enchanted weapon onto Hulk's hand, it can hurt Hulk. A retarded 6-yr old knows that. And nobody cares to dispute it.
And how is that bad? You knew it, because You do read comics.Other's don't and that is why they claim that historically hulk has never hurt his hands.
Pretending like that is the crux of the argument isn't establishing any sort of pretense that you've gained traction here. And like I said, I wasn't the only one, or the first one, to point out your strawman. But whatever. I'm sorry I defused your supposed ace-in-the-hole scan before you got a chance to post it yourself to people who don't give a sh1t about it and which has little (if anything) to do with the actual discussion being had.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There is a big difference between Thor swinging Mjolnir (And I'm not sure why it was brought up because Doomsday is no enchanted Uru) at Hulk's fists and Hulk punching Doomsday's body.If you cannot understand that, you need to take a step back bro.
When did Superman flinch from punching Doomsday? Prove it..
Originally posted by ODG
Fixed for accuracy.Now go ahead and address what they said instead of what you want them to have said. Prove it then.
You care about the proposition you forced onto the discussion. It's become rather clear that you don't care what they're actually arguing though. There's a difference. And the language barrier can only account for so much when it's been pointed out several times.
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Rao knew what I was asking him. Good job ODG.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're not even making any sense. No one said that Hulk's hands cannot feel pain. I'm simply saying that there is almost no chance they'd feel pain punching Doomsday. If you disagree, I can list all the times Hulk's faced beings as strong/tough as Doomsday or more so and not felt any damage. Heck, Thor who's not quite as strong as Hulk has a history of trading blows with the f*cking Destroyer.
I can also list the times in which Superman has faced stronger opponents with out hurting his hands, yet when facing DD He was portrayed that tough.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is NOT stronger or as strong as Hulk, especially while holding back during the Bryne era. And again, that Superman scan is an anomaly more then anything else as we see Maxima and Bloodwynd landing blows.
That is your opinion, while Maxima and Bloodwyn are landing blows the arc is not centered on them, so the writer is not going to take some panel time to explain that Maxima is hurting her hands while fighting Doomsday, because no one cares, but yet is show on Superman, because is to give an idea of how tough Doomsday was.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also, where exactly do you think this argument is going to lead to? Punching Doomsday could be fracturing fingers on Hulk's hands but so what? Exactly what will this accomplish except Hulk getting angrier and stronger? Do you think Hulk is a stranger to some small amount to pain and will suddenly falter? Even in the scans you posted Superman kept pushing through and he's no Hulk.
You seem to forget that Doomsday strength is also dynamic and it increases as well.
And all this was to respond to the claim that Hulk can solo HP DD. Which is silly.
