M.G.T.O.W. (Men Going Their Own Way)

Started by Stealth Moose9 pages

Found this image, it looked related:

Originally posted by NemeBro
Could be, the publishers though her initials (Though she has no middle name) would sell better to young boys, who might not want to read stories by a woman. That isn't necessarily sexism in publishing, it's trying to garner a profit by using what they think would work best.

I have to admit though, I didn't actually know JK Rowling was a pen name. So good catch on that. 👆

I'd chalk women writing men better than men write women up to, as has been touched, men being far more exposed in other fictional works. All writers draw something from what they've read, and since men are more often focused on in any given work, they've been read, analyzed, and studied quite a bit more often.

I don't really have any opinion on who is more naturally disposed to writing.

Why would I consider that she prefers writing male protagonists? I'm not sure that I am grasping your point.

Have you considered that was what they wanted to write, on the genre side? Do you have cause to believe they are "forced" to do so.

And of course, one should note that, for whatever reason, "Literary Fiction" is generally more critically acclaimed and possibly sells better than "Genre Fiction", so more women writing Literature indicates at least some amount of success, though yes, men dominate the field to this day.

I can't even recall any male successful spy thriller authors that are still alive, to be honest.

Yes, I actually read Oates's short essay on the subject a few minutes ago, and I suppose I'd agree that that double-standard exists. Albeit not to the extent that it's stopped her from becoming a successful author.

There probably are, but I would be lying if I said I could recall any of them. Though to be honest, I'm still a relative rookie in the realm of fiction, so that could be why.

And Peter didn't used to be a sociopath, but he sure turned out something like one.

I wouldn't say Lois is worse. Peter's actually shot her in the chest without a word, and also re-enacted a somewhat well-known scene from a somewhat well-known holocaust movie involving a sniper rifle.


My point about Rowling was that she might not be an example of women being better represented today in fiction than in earlier times because she doesn't write about women or for women with her fantasy in the way that most male fantasy authors write about men for men. Her writing male protagonists (and preferring to) might also suggest that she's been conditioned by her society to be more concerned with men and male issues.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
My point about Rowling was that she might not be an example of women being better represented today in fiction than in earlier times because she doesn't write about women or for women with her fantasy in the way that most male fantasy authors write about men for men.

Well I wasn't exactly saying that Rowling being a writer is an example of females being better represented in fiction today than in old times (Though they are and IMHO anyone who disagrees is ****ing fooling themselves. Just because there is still room for improvement doesn't mean that things have not improved.), because Rowling is not a fictional character, lol.

Though Harry Potter, whatever you think of it, does try to flesh out and develop female characters just as much as it does male characters.

Her writing male protagonists (and preferring to) might also suggest that she's been conditioned by her society to be more concerned with men and male issues.

Could be, but this is purely speculation. I suppose someone could ask her. 😛

Originally posted by jaden101
YOU CAN GO YOUR OWN WAAAAAY

GO YOUR OWN WAA-AAA-AAY

YOU CAN CALL IT ANOTHER LONELY DA-AY

Exactly. All i can hear over this thread.

Just to go back to the successful male spy thriller authors, there are a lot. Robert Ludlum, Brad Thor, Martin Cruz Smith (sort of), Jack Higgins, and Jeffrey Archer to name a few. But I can't think of any female thriller authors of note, probably because of supposed credibility issues.

And speaking of Brad Thor, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a member of one of these MGTOW forums.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I think the MGTOWs should develop a close working relationship with new-wave feminists/tumblrists. I'd like to see that.

Tumblr feminists are dogmatic and completely obnoxious, almost Jacobin. I'd avoid anything having to do with them, as would most IRL feminists I'd imagine.

Most IRL feminists probably avoid internet feminists in general. Being functionally retarded seems to be a prerequisite to being a feminist online.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Tumblr feminists are dogmatic and completely obnoxious, almost Jacobin. I'd avoid anything having to do with them, as would most IRL feminists I'd imagine.

That was pretty much my point. They deserve each other.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Most IRL feminists probably avoid internet feminists in general. Being functionally retarded seems to be a prerequisite to being a feminist online.

Ha

Sounds like little more than a group of bitter idiots complaining about marrying the wrong person.

Originally posted by BackFire
Sounds like little more than a group of bitter idiots complaining about marrying the wrong person.

That sounds pretty accurate, really.

I would add that they think the solution is to change all of western society so females act more the way they prefer (like Edo Era Japanese women were expected to behave).

Originally posted by dadudemon
That sounds pretty accurate, really.

I would add that they think the solution is to change all of western society so females act more the way they prefer (like Edo Era Japanese women were expected to behave).

Yeah, so many of these people are completely nuts that its hard to get any traction or enthusiasm for legitimate problems our society and sectors of it have with men.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That sounds pretty accurate, really.

I would add that they think the solution is to change all of western society so females act more the way they prefer (like Edo Era Japanese women were expected to behave).

Do you have something against the male patriarchy? What is the matter with you?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
male patriarchy

male patriarchy of men?

That should be the official name.

The official-official name, you mean.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The official-official name, you mean.

The official-official name that's authorized.

I think "Dudes Who Feel Victimized But Want to Treat Women as Less Than Equal" is a bit wordy, but quite accurate.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I think "Dudes Who Feel Victimized But Want to Treat Women as Less Than Equal" is a bit wordy, but quite accurate.

It's actually quite the contrary..

So what does this site actually want? I'm too lazy to read it, perhaps you could enlighten us all Fist.