Sauron vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

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Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say he didn't. I said the Toc doesn't amp his strength or durability. No proof at all.

But it gives him special powers. Do you deny this?

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it didn't but it always doesn't lead to a ko.

Games nor does fiction need to be consistent. You can't prove an amp so concede the point.

So you can't back it up?

Unless you believe that a the force of a look can still KO someone who flat out tanked the boss with impressive stresngth..?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by The Scenario
But it gives him special powers. Do you deny this?
That doesn't mean it adds to his durability. That's the point.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
So you can't back it up?

Unless you believe that a the force of a look can still KO someone who flat out tanked the boss with impressive stresngth..?

His skill level had changed by that point and like is said angle and pressure applied matters. You need to prove the Toc amps his durability.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Explain how skill increases durability.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
Explain how skill increases durability.
It doesn't. It changes how much force he gets caught by head on.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

One clunked his head.

The other smashed his face and knocked him back.

So if I'm skilled, I can tank that attack too?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
One clunked his head.

The other smashed his face and knocked him back.

So if I'm skilled, I can tank that attack too?

You can tilt your head or slightly move it so as not to take the full force of the blow.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

Ohh right.. because if you get punched so hard that you get knocked off your feet and send a few feet back.. as long as you tilted your head back you'll be fine.

That's not how it works.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
Ohh right.. because if you get punched so hard that you get knocked off your feet and send a few feet back.. as long as you tilted your head back you'll be fine.

That's not how it works.

If you avoid all of the force it does make it better. This is why Cheapshots are so effective.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

"punched so hard that you get knocked off your feet and sent a few feet back"

Which part looks like it was avoided?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
"punched so hard that you get knocked off your feet and sent a few feet back"

Which part looks like it was avoided?

It is clearly different as he was prepared for it.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

You just said skill like tilting your head is enough to allow this to happen. Address the fact that being knocked around is still being knocked around, and no skill can change the fact that the body is reciecing a massive amount of force in that instance.

Heck, if a pro boxer gets an uppercut that launches him an inch off the ground (iirc this is the strongest punch ever caught in a match), he will be taking all that force.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
You just said skill like tilting your head is enough to allow this to happen. Address the fact that being knocked around is still being knocked around, and no skill can change the fact that the body is reciecing a massive amount of force in that instance.

Heck, if a pro boxer gets an uppercut that launches him an inch off the ground (iirc this is the strongest punch ever caught in a match), he will be taking all that force.

I said a slight movement can escape the totality of the force exerted onto him. It is still a decent amount of force just not all of it.

You still can't prove the Toc amps his durability.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

No, it can't.

What you're thinking of is when you lean away from a punch, which would reduce the force. Issue is that the force to knock Link off his feet was on his body, so even if he did lean back and lessen the blow, that force was still left there.

Negate the above and you'll be able yo say that Link didn't get more durable.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
No, it can't.

What you're thinking of is when you lean away from a punch, which would reduce the force. Issue is that the force to knock Link off his feet was on his body, so even if he did lean back and lessen the blow, that force was still left there.

Negate the above and you'll be able yo say that Link didn't get more durable.

Yes, it can.

If he slightly moves it doesn't hit him with the full force of it.

No, he wasn't. You need proof.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

"What you're thinking of is when you lean away from a punch, which would reduce the force. Issue is that the force to knock Link off his feet was on his body, so even if he did lean back and lessen the blow, that force was still left there."

What did I just say? If you take a punch, whether you take it full force or lean back, we can see the effects of either from the way your body reacts. If you jerk back, you were leaning into it. If you get knocked back, you didnt. Now look at Link, who gets knocked off his feet a good distance back. So we know he at least had to take that force, whether that was the full force of the reminder from leaning.

Negate the above.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
"What you're thinking of is when you lean away from a punch, which would reduce the force. Issue is that the force to knock Link off his feet was on his body, so even if he did lean back and lessen the blow, that force was still left there."

What did I just say? If you take a punch, whether you take it full force or lean back, we can see the effects of either from the way your body reacts. If you jerk back, you were leaning into it. If you get knocked back, you didnt. Now look at Link, who gets [b]knocked off his feet a good distance back. So we know he at least had to take that force, whether that was the full force of the reminder from leaning.

Negate the above. [/B]

Not the full force though. That negates your point.

BloodRain Knight of Retribution

1. Prove it.

2. Even if he did we still see the amount of force he takes, which is still above the Bulbin.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Prove it.

2. Even if he did we still see the amount of force he takes, which is still above the Bulbin.

1. What other conclusion can we draw from this ?

2. Two separate incidences with two different outcomes. That's all.