Sauron vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by The Scenario
So why are you picking and choosing gameplay examples?

I mean, the Master Sword has only ever been blocked in gameplay, but you say that Ganon dodging arrows can't be used because it's gameplay. Which is it, quan?

Intangibility, quan. How does Sauron tk it?

In case you didn't notice, I'm not arguing his humanoid form. This entire time I've been saying that Beast Ganon will just step on Sauron. Nothing stops him from using the giant head form, either, and now Sauron truly can't do anything to him.

He can't hurt anyone. Sauron can battle without a body as well. 😂

Dorf can't though.

Tk, mace, larger body making him a bigger target.

Sauron wins, easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ms has been blocked in the Dorf cutscene. Have you played the game ?

More times than you, since the sword lock is not a cutscene.

He can't hurt anyone. Sauron can battle without a body as well. 😂

I asked if Sauron could tk him. Answer the question please.

Tk, mace, larger body making him a bigger target.

Sauron wins, easily.

Answer the tk question before using it in an argument. Then provide the feat that allows Sauron to even bruise Ganon.

Ganon steps on Sauron, you have not been able to dispute this.

Originally posted by The Scenario
More times than you, since the sword lock is not a cutscene.

I asked if Sauron could tk him. Answer the question please.

Answer the tk question before using it in an argument. Then provide the feat that allows Sauron to even bruise Ganon.

Ganon steps on Sauron, you have not been able to dispute this.

Yes.

I already did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a cutscene during battle.

Midna telling Link that shooting Ganon won't work is also a cutscene during battle, then. So it looks like you have a choice to make.

Yes.

Please prove Sauron can tk an intangible target, then.

I already did.

Tossing soldiers is not enough to hurt Link, let alone Ganon.

Try again.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Midna telling Link that shooting Ganon won't work is also a cutscene during battle, then. So it looks like you have a choice to make.

Please prove Sauron can tk an intangible target, then.

Tossing soldiers is not enough to hurt Link, let alone Ganon.

Try again.

Dorf doesn't battle while intangible so it is irrelevant.

Yes, it is since Bulbin henchmen ko'd him.

I already won.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't have to occur whereas the sword lock does. Difference.

If you played Twilight Princes, you would know the sword lock does not have to occur.

Dorf doesn't battle while intangible so it is irrelevant.

I'm saying he can use it to escape tk. Sauron can't counter.

Yes, it is since Bulbin henchmen ko'd him.

I already won.

Yet Sauron gets stepped on, because he's not strong enough to hurt Ganon.

Originally posted by The Scenario
If you played Twilight Princes, you would know the sword lock does not have to occur.

I'm saying he can use it to escape tk. Sauron can't counter.

Yet Sauron gets stepped on, because he's not strong enough to hurt Ganon.

He never does so again it isn't likely since he never uses it to avoid an attack.

False. He showed greater strength than wolf link that is for sure.

But he does show Dangoro lifting strength~

Originally posted by quanchi112
No. You lost your privileges of proof for the time being for being bad. You're being punished.

No proof the skill of the attacks is the same or that Bulbin uses any skill at all due to his oafish portrayal.

I have not ignored anything at all. Thats your territory.

How much will the skill change the outcome

Lol who's the one who dodges my questions nearly every time for a tangent? All you have in your defence is saying the weapons are different (again, goes in King's favour) and skill, which is something you cannot even begin to prove. Meaning you have nothing but baseless theories.

Originally posted by BloodRain
But he does show Dangoro lifting strength~

Which, in your own words, is conceding to the debate. You know its what you'd say~

How much will the skill change the outcome

Lol who's the one who dodges my questions nearly every time for a tangent? All you have in your defence is saying the weapons are different (again, goes in King's favour) and skill, which is something you cannot even begin to prove. Meaning you have nothing but baseless theories.

EVIDENCE PROBATION.

No, an axe will do more damage than a club. Hurts his case more than anything.

Which in your own words is conceding, right?

Urm, you know that supports my case right? If King is stronger than a Bulbin, and his weapon does more damage.. and Link ends up resisting the King.....

Originally posted by BloodRain
Which in your own words is conceding, right?

Urm, you know that supports my case right? If King is stronger than a Bulbin, and his weapon does more damage.. and Link ends up resisting the King.....

King has a greater weapon but shows he can't strike with greater skill than his men. It isn't about brute strength all the time.

😂

So in your words, you're conceding?

So a grater weapon, and greater strength, and it doesn't phase Link? Yep, that does sound like a durability increase.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So in your words, you're conceding?

So a grater weapon, and greater strength, and it doesn't phase Link? Yep, that does sound like a durability increase.

Skill level and two different instances. Sorry, Bulbin looks pathetic by comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. It happened every single time for me.

Yeah, Ganondorf initiates it at the start of the fight, but you still have to press A to activate it. Should you choose, you can avoid sword locking entirely. You'd know this if you played the game.

He never does so again it isn't likely since he never uses it to avoid an attack.

I believe this is commonly known as "gotcha."

False. He showed greater strength than wolf link that is for sure.

Nah, Wolf Link withstanding Ganon's charge is a far superior feat to anything Sauron has done, strength wise. Remember that Ganon shatters multiple pillars, another superior strength feat to Sauron.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Yeah, Ganondorf initiates it at the start of the fight, but you still have to press A to activate it. Should you choose, you can avoid sword locking entirely. You'd know this if you played the game.

I believe this is commonly known as "gotcha."

Nah, Wolf Link withstanding Ganon's charge is a far superior feat to anything Sauron has done, strength wise. Remember that Ganon shatters multiple pillars, another superior strength feat to Sauron.

Not canon.

😂

You never got anyone in your life.

Withstanding with Midna's help isn't strength it is durability. Wolf link never once shows the strength of Sauron. You won't be objective at all and say silly things all the time. It is the video game versus way. Sadly. Hence the reason the place is dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
no,you just lost proof privileges.

Skill level and two different instances. Sorry, Bulbin looks pathetic by comparison.

Yes, the instance being pre and post ToC. Glad you came around.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wait, why are you conceding and failing to answer again?

Yes, the instance being pre and post ToC. Glad you came around.

You never proved it amped his durability.

You can take that stance, sure, but if that means you will refuse to answer a question that was important to the discussion.. whats the point?

Have already. Ko'd by weak foe > gets ToC > later tanks the foes huge boss' attack.

Originally posted by BloodRain
You can take that stance, sure, but if that means you will refuse to answer a question that was important to the discussion.. whats the point?

Have already. Ko'd by weak foe > gets ToC > later tanks the foes huge boss' attack.

Again, prove the Toc amps his durability.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is a Sauron thread so it isn't relevant at all.

Again, prove the Toc amps his durability.

Hit once by Bulbin and is knocked out. Goes into twilight where his triforce piece is activated. Fights massive Monsters. Beaten by Zant. Gets Master Sword. SLAYS EVERYTHING IN THE GODDAMWORLD!