Originally posted by The Sorrow
No, actually the machine did as Banner said it would and proceeded to scan the multiverse at the speed of Cho's hyper-mind, however due to the quantum nature of the machine, it was opening up pathways and portals to new multiverses as it carried out the search and not only the "known" multiverse which made the search significantly longer.That's not really a feat though unless Lex helped create or improve the machine.
If you look at what Bannertech has actually done it's very impressive. Defeating Doom and other top tier characters using what was essentially handheld equipment and limited resources shouldn't be overlooked.
Actually he did. He improvised the machines of brainiac 5 which he found flawed.
Lex has done that to people like Brainiac and Brainiac 5 several times. He has done things that new gods couldn't and new gods have the nuttiest tech in comics bar none.
Originally posted by abhilegendBased on what do the new gods have the nuttiest tech in the universe ?
It didn't scan the multiverse in moments as you said.Actually he did. He improvised the machines of brainiac 5 which he found flawed.
Lex has done that to people like Brainiac and Brainiac 5 several times. He has done things that new gods couldn't and new gods have the nuttiest tech in comics bar none.
Reed puts their tech to shame.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Banner created a machine that could scan the multiverse in moments, created a time portal using a fragment of Mjolnir, downloaded his own consciousness onto his past self on the fly, out prepped Doom, Reed, Pym, T'Challa and several other of the Earth's top eggheads at once, used "Bannertech" for all kinds of crazy effects, been stated as Earth's most brilliant mind etc. He currently develops new inventions every week and is on the way to curing the Inhumans of their Terrigen-altered dna.To be honest when it comes to science Bruce Banner has pretty much done it all. I'd say the only kind of feats he lacks are developing tech to defeat extremely powerful beings but in his defense, he has the Hulk for that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It didn't scan the multiverse in moments as you said.
Actually he did. He improvised the machines of brainiac 5 which he found flawed.
Lex has done that to people like Brainiac and Brainiac 5 several times. He has done things that new gods couldn't and new gods have the nuttiest tech in comics bar none.
Not really sure what to make of that, you will have to elaborate on "nuttiest" tech.
Originally posted by The SorrowWhile that was impressive, it just shows that it can see there are more than one multiverse. It is just showing what people like Reed, Lex, Doom have already known via their research.
If anything it was more impressive than I actually stated, it had to have scanned the multiverse to have known there were "a nearly infinite number of previously unknown multiverses into which Herc could now have fallen".
What did Lex actually do?Improvised Brainiac 5's plans with better plans and machines.
That's because Lex is more cunning, Banner actually owned Doom with his handheld tech. Single-handed punking of Reed, Beast, Pym, Leader, Modok, T'Challa, Cho, Ross, Doom, and the rest of the Intelligencia is a pretty retarded prep/tech feat.Leader punked Doom too in that arc. Pak's wanking of Banner aside, banner isn't that impressive in general.
Not really sure what to make of that, you will have to elaborate on "nuttiest" tech.Machines that can destroy and recreate universes like Genesis Box, items which grant omnipotence like worloggog are just play things of new gods. In fact Orion who isn't any smart than a random new god created Genesis box to destroy and recreate universe.
Under WAID, Banner's proven to be far superior to the combined intellects of Stark and McCoy, owning them both with a simple program he created and stored on a USB stick.
He's been frequently shown as superior to Stark and in random week, he developed tech every bit the equal of Stark, Reed, McCoy and Pym.
Not just one of them, but ALL of them combined.
A week of Banner inventions >= a week of the other five put together.
He was still pissed off though, because his Hulking business put him behind schedule for each invention.
And under AARON, he was basically Mister Sinister^infinity. Giving Hulk powers to random animals, making them intelligent, giving them speech and language skills ... ****, at the rate mad Banner was going, he would have evolved into something like an insane version of High Evolutionary, eventually.
Banner's overlooked because of The Hulk, but seriously, even the relatively few feats he has, put him up there with Reed and Doom. And he's owned both men (and their entire resources/teams) twice or more.
Luthor isn't stomping Banner,even if you think Luthor is on par with Doom, Doom doesn't exactly stomp Bruce when they meet before either. Reed/Doom aren't many times smarter then Bruce/T'challa/Pym/Tony Stark(who is weakest of the four).
It's possible that Luthor could win, Luthor isn't many more smarter then current wanked verison of Banner. Plus Bruce Banner has experience facing smarter oppotents like the Leader, so it's not like Lex is unbeatable.
Pym only created doorways from infinite mansion, its nothing noteworthy.
Teleporters? Lex was making them while he was a teenager.
Nah, dimensions=/=universes. Not that impressive, everybody has created some kind of dimensions. When its called a pocket universe, then its impressive. [/B]
Originally posted by Iron-man
Luthor isn't stomping Banner,even if you think Luthor is on par with Doom, Doom doesn't exactly stomp Bruce when they meet before either. Reed/Doom aren't many times smarter then Bruce/T'challa/Pym/Tony Stark(who is weakest of the four).It's possible that Luthor could win, Luthor isn't many more smarter then current wanked verison of Banner. Plus Bruce Banner has experience facing smarter oppotents like the Leader, so it's not like Lex is unbeatable.
All of the mechanism about Infinity Avenger mansion is credited to Hank Pym, also helped keep Wasp/Korvac's molecule structure from seperating too. I don't see how you could downplay it.
http://marvel.com/universe/Infinite_Avengers_MansionTeleport isn't what made it impressive, the mechanism around the Shadow physic is what made it impressive.
It can be the same thing(definition), but rarely do other sub dimension/universe ever get as big as the main universe. I'm not saying that Reign of Doomsday Luthor feats aren't impressive. It's just that I doubt Luthor's pocket world was meant to be anywhere as large as the main earth one universe.
When it comes to these super genius type characters, I think anyone can win on a given day.
Originally posted by Iron-manReed certainly is several steps smarter than Tony as revealed in Mcduffie's run where he hides his formulas from Tony because they are beyond Tony's comprehension.
Luthor isn't stomping Banner,even if you think Luthor is on par with Doom, Doom doesn't exactly stomp Bruce when they meet before either. Reed/Doom aren't many times smarter then Bruce/T'challa/Pym/Tony Stark(who is weakest of the four).
It's possible that Luthor could win, Luthor isn't many more smarter then current wanked verison of Banner. Plus Bruce Banner has experience facing smarter oppotents like the Leader, so it's not like Lex is unbeatable.Then show us Banner taking the power of an omnipotent. Also Lex has outsmarted Brainiac several times, Banner wouldn't be any problem to him.
All of the mechanism about Infinity Avenger mansion is credited to Hank Pym, also helped keep Wasp/Korvac's molecule structure from seperating too. I don't see how you could downplay it.Ah yes, the underspace where Thor sent Janet after secret invasion. It was a pre-existing pocket dimension, Pym didn't created a new dimension.
http://marvel.com/universe/Infinite_Avengers_Mansion
Teleport isn't what made it impressive, the mechanism around the Shadow physic is what made it impressive.What mechanism pray tell me.
It can be the same thing(definition), but rarely do other sub dimension/universe ever get as big as the main universe. I'm not saying that Reign of Doomsday Luthor feats aren't impressive. It's just that I doubt Luthor's pocket world was meant to be anywhere as large as the main earth one universe.It was not as big as main universe hence the term pocket universe. Its still a very big feat which only the likes of Reed and Doom have done.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Reed certainly is several steps smarter than Tony as revealed in Mcduffie's run where he hides his formulas from Tony because they are beyond Tony's comprehension.Then show us Banner taking the power of an omnipotent. Also Lex has outsmarted Brainiac several times, Banner wouldn't be any problem to him.
Ah yes, the underspace where Thor sent Janet after secret invasion. It was a pre-existing pocket dimension, Pym didn't created a new dimension.
What mechanism pray tell me.
It was not as big as main universe hence the term pocket universe. Its still a very big feat which only the likes of Reed and Doom have done.
And Alex basically laughed at Lex. Saying he was inferior. It's going to be interesting if the hooded man is Alex Luthor. His implied power is already off the charts.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe funny thing is. Lex screwed himself out of the power in idiotic fashion.
So only stealing power from an Omnipotent being can be used as a measure of intellect. And somehow it trumps Banner outsmarting guys who've turned overcoming Cosmic Threats into an art......Lol.