Reed certainly is several steps smarter than Tony as revealed in Mcduffie's run where he hides his formulas from Tony because they are beyond Tony's comprehension.
Then show us Banner taking the power of an omnipotent.
The leader hasn't stole the power of Beyonder, or Galactus. That doesn't mean The leader wasn't at Dr.Doom/Reed's level based on what World War Hulks have shown. Same thing with MODOK.
Also Lex has outsmarted Brainiac several times, Banner wouldn't be any problem to him.
Ah yes, the underspace where Thor sent Janet after secret invasion. It was a pre-existing pocket dimension, Pym didn't created a new dimension.
What mechanism pray tell me.
It was not as big as main universe hence the term pocket universe. Its still a very big feat which only the likes of Reed and Doom have done. [/B]
Originally posted by Iron-manBeating Reed in chess means jackshit though.
It's not very large gap because seeing how Tony is one of the few people who beat Reed in Chess, about two times. Yes Reed is smarter, not vastly.
You know that ranks/comparison have more matter then feats itself do.I do. Lex is consistently referred as the most intelligent human on earth. Its his schtick in contrast to superman's "most powerful being" on earth. Banner isn't.
It's not like Luthor becoming god is something that he could regularly do.That's right, but its useful on forums like these.
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The leader hasn't stole the power of Beyonder, or Galactus. That doesn't mean The leader wasn't at Dr.Doom/Reed's level based on what World War Hulks have shown. Same thing with MODOK.But the same don't apply to someone like Lex? People in this thread were seriously arguing that Banner is outside Lex's league because he is a peer to doom and reed.
Lex isn't going to stomp the Current Banner, seeing how MODOK/THe Leader/Dr.Doom didn't squash Bruce.Quite true.
Seeing how Steel managed beat Luthor, shouldn't be impossible for Banner to do well.Context bro. Steel has acknowledged that Lex is miles ahead to him in intelligence.
Sure, but the feat itself is just as impressive as any pocket universe feat you could name. The fact that Hank Pym made a infinte large mansion that billions of Joscata bots, and could teleport anywhere in the universe is definitely up there with any high end Doom/Reed feat.Nah bro, it was made clear that Reed was more intelligent than Pym and knew more about Pym particles than Pym himself.
I am not so sure Reed/Doom maybe pocket dimensions out of nothing. It's not Reed/Doom are the only characters made some type of a pocket universe. Even if you do make one it doesn't nessaraily make you Reed/Doom level.They did. Name some characters who've made pocket universes and we shall talk about why they aren't reed/doom level.
Beating Reed in chess means jackshit though.
I do. Lex is consistently referred as the most intelligent human on earth.
Being the "smartest" human in the world doesn't work when there is also other humans that rival Lex. If Lex has actually prove that he is smarter then everybody is what maters.
Banner isn't. That's right, but its useful on forums like these.
People in this thread were seriously arguing that Banner is outside Lex's league because he is a peer to doom and reed.
Quite true. Context bro. Steel has acknowledged that Lex is miles ahead to him in intelligence.
Nah bro, it was made clear that Reed was more intelligent than Pym and knew more about Pym particles than Pym himself.
They did. Name some characters who've made pocket universes and we shall talk about why they aren't reed/doom level. [/B]
Maximus made just recently in Hickman's run new avengers.
Originally posted by Iron-man
Sure it does, We know that Reed is versatility in the fields that he study, is not nessaraily a novice in a chess. The point is that Tony isn't too far way from Reed.So you could prove that Lex is portrayed consistency smarter then every human on DC earth. A title isn't the same thing as compar
Being the "smartest" human in the world doesn't work when there is also other humans that rival Lex. If Lex has actually prove that he is smarter then everybody is what maters.
But Bruce could still hold his own people on Lex's level. There is no reason to think that
Even if Lex is a "peer", Doom hasn't actually stomp Bruce. So why should Lex?
That doesn't really change the point that Steel managed to figure how Lex's genetic powers worked, and managed to shut it down. The point is that you act like Lex would squah Bruce, I doubt it.
Reed claim he could knew more about, nobody really expanded it to the level that Pym himself did. Reed didn't actually discover pym particles ability to be a portable lab or pocket dimension. We already seen Reed and Hank Pym get into a little faceoff in the Mighty Avengers, it's not like Reed stomps Hank.
It's not fully clear they made their own dimension or just made own around a preexisting space. I don't understand why you discredit Hank Pym/Steel making one.
Maximus made just recently in Hickman's run new avengers.
Originally posted by abhilegend
While that was impressive, it just shows that it can see there are more than one multiverse. It is just showing what people like Reed, Lex, Doom have already known via their research.
Improvised Brainiac 5's plans with better plans and machines.
Leader punked Doom too in that arc. Pak's wanking of Banner aside, banner isn't that impressive in general.
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Machines that can destroy and recreate universes like Genesis Box, items which grant omnipotence like worloggog are just play things of new gods. In fact Orion who isn't any smart than a random new god created Genesis box to destroy and recreate universe.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's indicative of the level of tech Banner can create when he has the resources to back him up. They may or may not know there is more than one multiverse but designing a machine that can open up portals to and scan a near infinite amount of multiverses to find one person? Is more impressive than I have seen from Lex.You didn't really answer my question.
Well the fact Banner outprepped the guy who outprepped Doom only makes Banner look better if anything. He used all of Earth's top geniuses like pawns, as far as prep feats go it's up there. Well, it's largely because of Pak's work that Banner is now seen as one of the top smart guys, in all fields, rather than just the expert in gamma radiation. This is the current status quo, Waid is having him outright punk Tony and invent the same kind of tech Reed does week in, week out now that he has similar level of resources at his disposal.
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http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/ax007/AX007h_zpsbff62880.jpgUnderstanding and using tech from other races is something the eggheads from Marvel Earth have done for years.
Originally posted by abhilegend
OK. Agree to disagree. You agree that Lex would win here albeit not in a stomp, right?
