Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't debunked and during that time, Batman commented on Super girl cells absorbing more sunlight than Superman.I don't need anything else. Proof brother, proof.
What kinda idiot would take proof that her powers were still developing(which was shown, your argument is dumb) and she had no confidence whatsoever as your example not being debunked? Anyways I've got something a lot better than you even if we were to accept it as legit.
Originally posted by Cogito
WW would win a straight up fight, but this is a wash.Supergirl may (and I can't emphasize that enough) have a slight edge in strength, but WW should have the endurance and willpower to take a beating longer before going down.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's exactly what I said. But delta gave me flack about it. Diana can take more punishment before giving up. Kara may be a little stronger though (not by a lot).
Originally posted by h1a8
That's exactly what I said. But delta gave me flack about it. Diana can take more punishment before giving up. Kara may be a little stronger though (not by a lot).
A little stronger?
Supergirl restraining a mind controlled Hercules until she grabs the Golden Fleece.
Wonder Woman cheap shots Hercules tries restraining him.
But wait, remember Hercules had the Golden Fleece when Supergirl was restraining him? Yeah, so Hercules was stronger than normal. It empowers Olympian. Assuming this is still canon Post-CRISIS, he described it as giving him Hercules' strength.
Although he started the fight with a cheap shot, he wrecked J'onn.
Olympian fights a mind controlled Hercules, says he has Hercules' strength, and we do see him in a strength lock until his wrists break(hey, he didn't say he has Hercules' durability).
Even if you don't accept Olympian having Hercules' actual strength, he's obviously superhumanly strong, so Hercules was stronger when Kara was restraining him than he was when he tossed Diana.
Originally posted by Delta1938
What kinda idiot would take proof that her powers were still developing(which was shown, your argument is dumb) and she had no confidence whatsoever as your example not being debunked? Anyways I've got something a lot better than you even if we were to accept it as legit.A little stronger?
Supergirl restraining a mind controlled Hercules until she grabs the Golden Fleece.
Wonder Woman cheap shots Hercules tries restraining him.
Kara didn't restrain him. He wasn't applying much strength in grabbing the woman. That's like straightening my arms out when I'm not fighting against it. When he just applied a little strength he sent her back casually.
I disagree that the fleece ADDED strength to him.
In WW case, she restrained him too (to the ground). But he easily pushed her back because of his connection to the ground. WW had nothing to push against to fight his push. Anyway, these showings do not show SG is stronger (not even a little). In direct comparison WW is shown a physical peer to SG.
Lastly it is stated that WW is STRONGER than that of Hercules (from her powers).
Originally posted by h1a8
Kara didn't restrain him. He wasn't applying much strength in grabbing the woman. That's like straightening my arms out when I'm not fighting against it. When he just applied a little strength he sent her back casually.I disagree that the fleece ADDED strength to him.
In WW case, she restrained him too (to the ground). But he easily pushed her back because of his connection to the ground. WW had nothing to push against to fight his push. Anyway, these showings do not show SG is stronger (not even a little). In direct comparison WW is shown a physical peer to SG.
😆 Dude, Kara was restraining him for two panels until she got the Golden Fleece.
Prove it didn't add to his strength. Wonder Girl was healed by it(one of its powers) when she was laying on it, don't see why Hercules wearing it wouldn't add to his strength.
If that were the case, I'd think Wonder Woman would try something else than to try restraining him that way. I could just as easily point-out she has flight that can be used to counter what you're arguing gave Hercules the advantage. Without some statement to support your stance, I'll take this as a concession that her skill isn't all that in any non-slugfest topics, thanks.
EDIT: Missed this part.
Originally posted by h1a8Lastly it is stated that WW is STRONGER than that of Hercules (from her powers).
Yeah, it's stated. Not sure what there is to actually prove it. But regardless of if she actually is or not(haven't seen enough actual examples), it's irrelevant as he overpowers her attempt and Kara out-performed him with Herc WEARING the Golden Fleece.
Originally posted by Delta1938Being healed by something doesn't mean it makes you stronger. Thor's hammer doesn't add strength to Thor, but only to those OTHERS who are worthy. A random comic book object doesn't add strength unless it could be proven to.
😆 Dude, Kara was restraining him for two panels until she got the Golden Fleece.Prove it didn't add to his strength. Wonder Girl was healed by it(one of its powers) when she was laying on it, don't see why Hercules wearing it wouldn't add to his strength.
If that were the case, I'd think Wonder Woman would try something else than to try restraining him that way. I could just as easily point-out she has flight that can be used to counter what you're arguing gave Hercules the advantage. Without some statement to support your stance, I'll take this as a concession that her skill isn't all that in any non-slugfest topics, thanks.
EDIT: Missed this part.
Yeah, it's stated. Not sure what there is to actually prove it. But regardless of if she actually is or not(haven't seen enough actual examples), it's irrelevant as he overpowers her attempt and Kara out-performed him with Herc WEARING the Golden Fleece.
2 panels could be 2-5seconds. If you look at his face then you would see he's not exerting any force. He's not straining at all. He's not fighting against her.
WW wasn't actively using flight there. At best we can say he's stronger than both. If Kara was stronger (or strong as)than him then explain why she got overpowered very easily?
I don't use these type of showings to prove strength. That's because characters are usually not applying all their strength when holding someone and are surprised when they get thrown back.
Anyway he EASILY sent them both back against their will without much effort. That proves that this scene is inconclusive to who's stronger.
Originally posted by Cogito
Only way you get Kara looking better against Hercules in that scene is if you're looking hard for reasons to make it true. 😬
😬 That's your response?
Originally posted by h1a8
Being healed by something doesn't mean it makes you stronger. Thor's hammer doesn't add strength to Thor, but only to those OTHERS who are worthy. A random comic book object doesn't add strength unless it could be proven to.
The burden of proof is on you to prove that it didn't add to his strength. We have it being brought up that Wonder Girl needs the Gauntlet of Atlas after Hercules gets the Golden Fleece.
"Here, quickly...take the Gauntlet...looks like you're going to need it......because now he's wearing the Golden Fleece?!"
"Crap on toast."
It was also noted again that Hercules had the Golden Fleece(by one of the Female Furies) and Wonder Girl had the Gauntlet Of Atlas(by the Titans). So, it specifically being brought up he's wearing it, and Wonder Girl is using the Gauntlet Of Atlas, but that isn't writer intent that he was stronger with it?
Originally posted by h1a8
2 panels could be 2-5seconds. If you look at his face then you would see he's not exerting any force. He's not straining at all. He's not fighting against her.
That's not a very good counter. 😆
Originally posted by h1a8
WW wasn't actively using flight there. At best we can say he's stronger than both. If Kara was stronger (or strong as)than him then explain why she got overpowered very easily?
Prove Wonder Woman wasn't, as well as Hercules used the ground. Or drop both. I'm fine with either.
And if you didn't notice, she was going for getting the Golden Fleece, because Olympian needed it to heal his wrists.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't use these type of showings to prove strength. That's because characters are usually not applying all their strength when holding someone and are surprised when they get thrown back.Anyway he EASILY sent them both back against their will without much effort. That proves that this scene is inconclusive to who's stronger.
You don't use these types of showings because, to be frank, you don't understand comics.
Kara's grip potentially being loose when she got the Golden Fleece couldn't possibly have anything to do with it, could it? hmm
Originally posted by Delta1938
😬 That's your response?
Yes. The only way you make "restraining" someone for 1-2 panels look definitively better than making him eat dirt is if you try really hard.
I put "restraining" in quotes because the first panel she didn't even have a grip on him and after the second he tossed her aside like a $2 whore.
Even taking into account the fleece debate, calling one or the other superior based on a panel or two is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Delta1938
😬 That's your response?The burden of proof is on you to prove that it didn't add to his strength. We have it being brought up that Wonder Girl needs the Gauntlet of Atlas after Hercules gets the Golden Fleece.
"Here, quickly...take the Gauntlet...looks like you're going to need it......because now he's wearing the Golden Fleece?!"
"Crap on toast."
It was also noted again that Hercules had the Golden Fleece(by one of the Female Furies) and Wonder Girl had the Gauntlet Of Atlas(by the Titans). So, it specifically being brought up he's wearing it, and Wonder Girl is using the Gauntlet Of Atlas, but that isn't writer intent that he was stronger with it?
That's not a very good counter. 😆
Prove Wonder Woman wasn't, as well as Hercules used the ground. Or drop both. I'm fine with either.
And if you didn't notice, she was going for getting the Golden Fleece, because Olympian needed it to heal his wrists.
You don't use these types of showings because, to be frank, you don't understand comics.
Kara's grip potentially being loose when she got the Golden Fleece couldn't possibly have anything to do with it, could it? hmm
The fleece adds strength to anyone who is not Hercules strength or more.
Where your argument fails is when the Olympian (Hercules?) EASILY overpowered Kara, sent her back without much effort (after she took the fleece).
In fact, Kara didn't do anything but hold someone's arms without them fighting against it. So theoretically, she exerted a small fraction of the force that Hercules could exert.
Also, his eyes are still glowing red with power. This means he still retains the strength of Hercules.
So again this doesn't show Kara being stronger than WW.
Originally posted by Cogito
Yes. The only way you make "restraining" someone for 1-2 panels look definitively better than making him eat dirt is if you try really hard.I put "restraining" in quotes because the first panel she didn't even have a grip on him and after the second he tossed her aside like a $2 whore.
Even taking into account the fleece debate, calling one or the other superior based on a panel or two is ridiculous.
Except the parts where she does grab on. Or thinking that Wonder Woman flying in suddenly and punching him had nothing to do with him eating dirt. 😬 Thanks for playing, we have some wonderful consolation prizes!!
Originally posted by Delta1938
Except the parts where she does grab on. Or thinking that Wonder Woman flying in suddenly and punching him had nothing to do with him eating dirt. 😬 Thanks for playing, we have some wonderful consolation prizes!!
Right, she had him grappled for one panel, not two.
And did WW pinning him on the ground have to do with the earlier punch? I don't know, and neither do you. We don't know what happened between panels, which is exactly why it's so stupid to make definitive claims based on the most ambiguous of scenes.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ok I concede. You are right since in the scan it wasn't Hercules (I thought is was at first). But why is she calling him Hercules? Is he possessed by Hercules or is he really Hercules?The fleece adds strength to anyone who is not Hercules strength or more.
Where your argument fails is when the Olympian (Hercules?) EASILY overpowered Kara, sent her back without much effort (after she took the fleece).
In fact, Kara didn't do anything but hold someone's arms without them fighting against it. So theoretically, she exerted a few pounds of force.
Also, his eyes are still glowing red with power. This means he still retains the strength of Hercules.So again this doesn't show Kara being stronger than WW.
😕 What the **** are you talking about?
Do you have an actual example that proves the Golden Fleece doesn't add strength to Hercules? If so, scan or at least issue reference. I posted it specifically stated that Herc has the Golden Fleece and Wonder Girl's mom said she needed the Gauntlet Of Atlas. Should I post the other scan where each having their item was brought-up like it was relevant?
It's Hercules, and yes, because it's impossible that grabbing the Golden Fleece had nothing to do with her grip being loosened.
And his eyes glowing has nothing to do with the Golden Fleece.
Originally posted by Cogito
Right, she had him grappled for one panel, not two.And did WW pinning him on the ground have to do with the earlier punch? I don't know, and neither do you. We don't know what happened between panels, which is exactly why it's so stupid to make definitive claims based on the most ambiguous of scenes.
Sure that's all it was.
So now that it was brought to your attention, you brush it off.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By what account Diana can take more damage than Kara?😬
A few scenes I can remember. Sacrifice is one of them and the fact that she is a warrior born and is highly trained to withstand pain. I never seen Kara get beat very badly or got her bones broken and still be willing to fight. She probably panic and give in if something like that happens.
Kara may be a little more durable, which helps too.
If Kara is stronger and more durable then there is no need for this thread. Right? WW should have something going for her in order to debate. Right?
Originally posted by Delta1938
😕 What the **** are you talking about?Do you have an actual example that proves the Golden Fleece doesn't add strength to Hercules? If so, scan or at least issue reference. I posted it specifically stated that Herc has the Golden Fleece and Wonder Girl's mom said she needed the Gauntlet Of Atlas. Should I post the other scan where each having their item was brought-up like it was relevant?
It's Hercules, and yes, because it's impossible that grabbing the Golden Fleece had nothing to do with her grip being loosened.
And his eyes glowing has nothing to do with the Golden Fleece.
But you don't get the crux of the argument. The fleece giving Hercules extra strength is moot. How can Kara be stronger when Hercules casually knocked her away? That would mean he wasn't using much effort when she was holding him. When he used a little more effort, she flew far away. There was absolutely no strain on his face when he threw her back. So basically, Kara restrained a Hercules using a tiny fraction of his strength.
If the fleece gives extra strength then it no more than doubles Hercules strength (since it gives the strength of Hercules). But Hercules using less than 1/10 of this strength COULD mean that Kara experienced equal force or less than that WW experienced.
Originally posted by h1a8
But you don't get the crux of the argument. The fleece giving Hercules extra strength is moot. How can Kara be stronger when Hercules casually knocked her away? That would mean he wasn't using much effort when she was holding him. When he used a little more effort, she flew far away. There was absolutely no strain on his face when he threw her back. So basically, Kara restrained a Hercules using a tiny fraction of his strength.If the fleece gives extra strength then it no more than doubles Hercules strength (since it gives the strength of Hercules). But Hercules using less than 1/10 of this strength COULD mean that Kara experienced equal force or less than that WW experienced.
Did it cross your mind that maybe, possibly, she had little to no grip on him when she actually got the Golden Fleece so there was less(if any) grip to break?
But I've got a question. Since you're so obsessed with numbers like "50 Earth weights," what do you peg Wonder Woman's strength at?
