Supergirl vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Delta1938
Did it cross your mind that maybe, possibly, she had little to no grip on him when she actually got the Golden Fleece so there was less(if any) grip to break?

But I've got a question. Since you're so obsessed with numbers like "50 Earth weights," what do you peg Wonder Woman's strength at?

But that's besides the point. Kara didn't do anything strength wise because he wasnt exerting much force against her. His face is very casual as he knocks her away. She was nothing to him.

I would say WW is about 5/7 of Superman's mental block strength on average and about 1/7 of his full strength.

I would say Kara is around 1/5 of Superman's full strength and about par to his everyday mental block strength. So I agree that Kara is a little stronger. WW has the damage soak and pain tolerance though.

Originally posted by h1a8
She was straining in the panel right before he knocked her away. She had a very tight grip and was fighting against him. He broke her grip with ease. WW didn't have a grip either. She was just pinning him down with her weight.

But that's besides the point. Kara didn't do anything strength wise because he wasnt exerting much force against her. His face is very casual as he knocks her away. She was nothing to him.

I would say WW is about 5/7 of Superman's mental block strength on average and about 1/7 of his full strength.

I would say Kara is around 1/5 of Superman's full strength and about par to his everyday mental block strength. So I agree that Kara is a little stronger. WW has the damage soak and pain tolerance though.

Yeah, you're bad at this.

That's not answering what I asked. I want something more like the "50 Earth weights" argument you give for Superman's strength, or argue Namor is mountain level(I think you questioned even that high, but I could be wrong). What would you say for Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yeah, you're bad at this.

That's not answering what I asked. I want something more like the "50 Earth weights" argument you give for Superman's strength, or argue Namor is mountain level(I think you questioned even that high, but I could be wrong). What would you say for Wonder Woman?

I believe a completely released Superman at full potential is about 50-100 or so Earth weights. WW at extreme best is somewhere between a moon to a single Earth weight. So Superman is many times stronger at the extreme end of things. But Superman operates far under that because of mental blocks. So WW is much closer on average to him.

You and your math...

Crazy. Just crazy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You and your math...

Crazy. Just crazy.

You and your mouth though ..

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a completely released Superman at full potential is about 50-100 or so Earth weights. WW at extreme best is somewhere between a moon to a single Earth weight. So Superman is many times stronger at the extreme end of things. But Superman operates far under that because of mental blocks. So WW is much closer on average to him.

So your absolute maximum for Wonder Woman is less than the size of Earth.

Lobo pulled down the mass of a star.

In fact, it's specifically brought up that Lobo lacks leverage and thus illogical he'd try to pull it down and Lobo says he doesn't do logic as he slams it down. That's way, way, way beyond the maximum you give for Wonder Woman, even if I were to round it up to a full Earth weight.

In the full album you can find it being made by imploding a neutron star, and the multiple mentions of it being a star. It even states it has "stellar mass" before Lobo pulls it down.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass

Supergirl arm wrestled Lobo for two hours.

Considering that Lobo's ego, yeah, I would definitely say he's trying, so your usual dismissal of fights and whatnot do not apply. And for what it's worth, Supergirl later said she let Lobo win.

And look back to Lobo not doing logic. Notice how the chains didn't break? Well, Supergirl breaks his chain.

Even if you believe Lobo legitimately won and Supergirl was lying about letting him win and don't think breaking the chain means anything, arm wrestling for 2 hours means he's not that much stronger than her. And by your very own estimates, Lobo is way, way, way, WAY stronger than Wonder Woman, thus putting Supergirl far, far above Wonder Woman. By your own math.

Going to backtrack or concede Supergirl rapestomps?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Supergirl arm wrestled Lobo for two hours.

I hired you... to take me...

Now that's something I'd love to see 😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I hired you... to take me...

Now that's something I'd love to see 😂

Well you could Google about them and "Rule 34" if you want that so badly..... 😱

Diana/Lobo is better to google... 😄

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Diana/Lobo is better to google... 😄

Seems like someone has a lot of free time on his hands.....er, uh, hand.....

I'm just a true comic book fan 😎

Too bad we can't post that shit here. PG-13 board with some members as old as dinosaurs themselves... *looks at Bada*

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm just a true comic book fan 😎

Too bad we can't post that shit here. PG-13 board with some members as old as dinosaurs themselves... *looks at Bada*

hysterical

Also, Bada is no threat, raptors are overrated.

JURASSIC PARK lied to us. 😠

Originally posted by Delta1938
So your absolute maximum for Wonder Woman is less than the size of Earth.

Lobo pulled down the mass of a star.

In fact, it's specifically brought up that Lobo lacks leverage and thus illogical he'd try to pull it down and Lobo says he doesn't do logic as he slams it down. That's way, way, way beyond the maximum you give for Wonder Woman, even if I were to round it up to a full Earth weight.

In the full album you can find it being made by imploding a neutron star, and the multiple mentions of it being a star. It even states it has "stellar mass" before Lobo pulls it down.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass

Supergirl arm wrestled Lobo for two hours.

Considering that Lobo's ego, yeah, I would definitely say he's trying, so your usual dismissal of fights and whatnot do not apply. And for what it's worth, Supergirl later said she let Lobo win.

And look back to Lobo not doing logic. Notice how the chains didn't break? Well, Supergirl breaks his chain.

Even if you believe Lobo legitimately won and Supergirl was lying about letting him win and don't think breaking the chain means anything, arm wrestling for 2 hours means he's not that much stronger than her. And by your very own estimates, Lobo is way, way, way, WAY stronger than Wonder Woman, thus putting Supergirl far, far above Wonder Woman. By your own math.

Going to backtrack or concede Supergirl rapestomps?

1. What was the force keeping the object in the air?
2. The scene doesn't make sense. It even says that Lobo doesnt do logical. Thus the feat is not quantifiable scientifically due to some magical nature of the feat. Yes magical!
3. Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. Thing can struggle lifting 100 tons one scene and knock a tremendous amount of blood from WWH in one blow. Gladiator can bash a planet in one scene and fight Colossus for an extended period of time. Drax can rip out a core of a star and bash a planet to pieces and then get manhandled by Mar-Vell.
So it is faulty to equate a character's highest feat with any other showing.
Otherwise, I can say Lobo is weak since he hurt his hand on Darkseid's face where some others didn't.

I bet you something nice that WW can make Lobo struggle in an arm wrestling match if it ever happened.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. What was the force keeping the object in the air?

Check 2.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. The scene doesn't make sense. It even says that Lobo doesnt do logical. Thus the feat is not quantifiable scientifically due to some magical nature of the feat. Yes magical!

That's the point. Your nitpicking is like a physicist complaining about all the inaccuracies in a Sci-Fi or Action movie. Have a little ****ing suspension of disbelief for a minute.

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. Thing can struggle lifting 100 tons one scene and knock a tremendous amount of blood from WWH in one blow. Gladiator can bash a planet in one scene and fight Colossus for an extended period of time. Drax can rip out a core of a star and bash a planet to pieces and then get manhandled by Mar-Vell.
So it is faulty to equate a character's highest feat with any other showing.
Otherwise, I can say Lobo is weak since he hurt his hand on Darkseid's face where some others didn't.

Hey, guess what? Comics don't work the way you think they do!! But put down those pills!! No need to kill yourself!!

Originally posted by h1a8
I bet you something nice that WW can make Lobo struggle in an arm wrestling match if it ever happened.

Based on what? Pure assumption? By your very own admittance, Wonder Woman is not even one full Earth weight in strength but between one Moon weight and one Earth weight. We actually do have on panel Supergirl stalemating Lobo for 2 hours in arm wrestling therefore she has the strength of roughly one stellar mass, which is many, many times one full Earth weight.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. The scene doesn't make sense. It even says that Lobo doesnt do logical. Thus the feat is not quantifiable scientifically due to some magical nature of the feat. Yes magical!

Toonforce. Lobo's strength level is really absurd sometimes:

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. Thing can struggle lifting 100 tons one scene and knock a tremendous amount of blood from WWH in one blow.

Read WWH first before referencing anything from it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Check 2.

That's the point. Your nitpicking is like a physicist complaining about all the inaccuracies in a Sci-Fi or Action movie. Have a little ****ing suspension of disbelief for a minute.

Hey, guess what? Comics don't work the way you think they do!! But put down those pills!! No need to kill yourself!!

Based on what? Pure assumption? By your very own admittance, Wonder Woman is not even one full Earth weight in strength but between one Moon weight and one Earth weight. We actually do have on panel Supergirl stalemating Lobo for 2 hours in arm wrestling therefore she has the strength of roughly one stellar mass, which is many, many times one full Earth weight.

I can easily use ABC logic to prove A>A.
For example, I can go through powergirl to achieve it.

Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. There is no fixed levels. Lobo hurt his hands by hitting DS for crying out loud. That alone proves it.

Diana always seems to do well against Supergirl or powergirl. Thus they can't be that much stronger than her if at all.

So again, you haven't proven that Kara is stronger.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Toonforce. Lobo's strength level is really absurd sometimes:

Read WWH first before referencing anything from it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can easily use ABC logic to prove A>A.
For example, I can go through powergirl to achieve it.

Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. There is no fixed levels. Diana always seems to do well against Supergirl or powergirl. Thus they can't be that much stronger than her if at all.

Lobo hurt his hands by hitting DS for crying out loud. That alone proves it.

So again, you haven't proven that Kara is stronger.

Actually that won't work for you because Power Girl has shown to be stronger. In this very topic. Wonder Woman wins a regular fight because more skilled, but it doesn't mean she's stronger.

You arguing this doesn't change the fact that there's something in comics called a "hierarchy" and you totally dismissing fights 9 times out of 10 is incorrect and shows an insane inability to understand the very topic you debate.

Also I used to give you credit for at least being consistent, except when it comes to Spider-Man, but now you're devolving from someone I at least had some respect for over consistentcy in HOW you debate, regardless of how wrong it usually is, to someone who's now changing his tune when it suits him. As you'd normally not bring-up what you exclaim as "PIS!!!"

It's shit like this that convinces me you've never actually read a single comic in your life and only know them from seeing scans.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually that won't work for you because Power Girl has shown to be stronger. In this very topic. Wonder Woman wins a regular fight because more skilled, but it doesn't mean she's stronger.

You arguing this doesn't change the fact that there's something in comics called a "hierarchy" and you totally dismissing fights 9 times out of 10 is incorrect and shows an insane inability to understand the very topic you debate.

Also I used to give you credit for at least being consistent, except when it comes to Spider-Man, but now you're devolving from someone I at least had some respect for over consistentcy in HOW you debate, regardless of how wrong it usually is, to someone who's now changing his tune when it suits him. As you'd normally not bring-up what you exclaim as "PIS!!!"

It's shit like this that convinces me you've never actually read a single comic in your life and only know them from seeing scans.

Actually it was shown in some scenes that WW is stronger than powergirl.
I'm very consistent. Unless I'm proven wrong. I'm true to myself as Thanos would say.

Skill can't overcome someone who is many times stronger than you. You simply wouldn't be able to affect them well enough.

I never said WW is stronger. I even admitted that Kara is stronger. I'm just saying not by much. Most people here would agree with me