King Thor VS The Spectre

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet he wrecked Nabu with ease and the same with Thunderbolt and destroyed so many magic users that Alex Luthor created a new multiverse using that magical energy.

That only shows just how much of a beast Shazam is inside ROE.

Black Adam provided the final ingredient for Alex's machine, that's it. Black Adam's and the Power of Shazam isn't a multiversal power...except maybe in the eyes of Big C.

Given that Shazam has pretty much shit for feats in comparison to Odin under his own power, I find it dubious at the least that Spectre would easily wreck Odin + RKT + all of Asgard when he struggled with Shazam inside of the RoE. He can certainly win, but he doesn't spite stomp them unless he's at around his best.

Plus Shazam was incredibly weakened from just fighting off Mordru. And yea, Shazam is no Odin so I'm not sure why someone would be against the idea that the All-Father or even King Thor doing about as well.

I mean, didn't Captain Marvel hold off the Spectre for a long time by himself at some point in that event? Like I said, he fluctuates a lot.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Black Adam provided the final ingredient for Alex's machine, that's it. Black Adam's and the Power of Shazam isn't a multiversal power...except maybe in the eyes of Big C.

Given that Shazam has pretty much shit for feats in comparison to Odin under his own power, I find it dubious at the least that Spectre would easily wreck Odin + RKT + all of Asgard when he struggled with Shazam inside of the RoE. He can certainly win, but he doesn't spite stomp them unless he's at around his best.

😂

Feats? Thunderbolt himself has better feats than KT could ever hope to have. Shazam doesn't have space cheese feats like Odin but his performance against Spectre in DOV shits on anything Odin has done in hierarchical order. Who is the most powerful being Odin has defeated who is as powerful as spectre?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Plus Shazam was incredibly weakened from just fighting off Mordru. And yea, Shazam is no Odin so I'm not sure why someone would be against the idea that the All-Father or even King Thor doing about as well.

I mean, didn't Captain Marvel hold off the Spectre for a long time by himself at some point in that event? Like I said, he fluctuates a lot.

Cap was amped by all the magic in the world or universe. Forget which one. He was beyond someone like King Thor in that respect.

Cap was amped by magic from across the universe. Roid Rage Billy was beating the phuck out of Spectre.

Yeah look at how spectre is such a weak feeb, owning Thunderbolt like shit.

http://imgur.com/iaUmyb5
http://imgur.com/CiSTLrp

Just two halves of Thunderbolt fighting nearly destroyed creation in Morrison's JLA.

What has a Thunderbolt done?

When he was amped by the Earth's magic he was beating up Spectre, at the end there both of them were practically drained. I'm referring to before the amp. I remember Marvel holding his own for some time.

You know, Captain Marvel was beating up the Spectre with punches that were said to pack the force of a small atomic bomb. I don't really think that means anything but I'm just putting it out there before a certain someone begins to lowball. Just want to make it clear its all relative.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam merely provided the link to that raw magical energy since he was connected to shazam's energy in that wild magic. Alex outright said that Spectre provided the magical power to fuel the multiversal creation. DOV spectre was a beast.

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Feats? Thunderbolt himself has better feats than KT could ever hope to have. Shazam doesn't have space cheese feats like Odin but his performance against Spectre in DOV shits on anything Odin has done in hierarchical order. Who is the most powerful being Odin has defeated who is as powerful as spectre?

Spectre was manipulated into weakening the current age of magic and ushering in the new age of magic. Context. If Spectre didn't go apeshit, that plan would have never have panned out.

You honestly think Shazam in the RoE shits on anything Odin has done? He gave a good fight and lost. And he was prepared for Spectre, too. So unless you can prove that the RoE offers more power to Shazam than all of Asgard (not even factoring in RKT) can give to Odin, I'm just going to laugh this off as nonsense. Shazam has hardly any combat feats or even space cheese feats under his own power, let alone on the scale of Odin.

I don't think anyone remotely objective would ever put the Wizard Shazam over Odin.

Spectre wins this fight. Depending on which version this is, he either wins with ease or with some level of difficulty. Anybody that thinks that thor wins is either ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What has a Thunderbolt done?

It's been a while, but he was uber during Morrison's JLA. A rogue thunderbolt imprisoned Spectre and a battle between the two was dangerous to Earth's dimension. IIRC they were bigger then Earth at one point.

Although tbf, none of that is beyond Odin, on a high showing anyways.

Of course, once he got on the JSA, he became a lot more....ineffective. For example, Black Adam was beating the shit out of a JSA team that included the Thunderbolt. 😬

Comics fluctuate a lot, but these obscure mystical entities are just flat out weird.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Spectre was manipulated into weakening the current age of magic and ushering in the new age of magic. Context. If Spectre didn't go apeshit, that plan would have never have panned out.

You honestly think Shazam in the RoE shits on anything Odin has done? He gave a good fight and lost. And he was prepared for Spectre, too. So unless you can prove that the RoE offers more power to Shazam than all of Asgard (not even factoring in RKT) can give to Odin, I'm just going to laugh this off as nonsense. Shazam has hardly any combat feats or even space cheese feats under his own power, let alone on the scale of Odin.

I don't think anyone remotely objective would ever put the Wizard Shazam over Odin.

You are arguing in cycles now. Shazam is more powerful because he stalemated and even downed Spectre for a moment when Spectre was nigh-impossible to stop by everyone else and shitstomping everybody else in skyfather tier. You could provide a similar feat for Odin if you like, but I doubt it. There has been no comparison between Shazam and Odin which I could think of, so comparing feats when Odin has appeared in 9000 comics and Shazam hasn't is worthless.

Anybody with a common sense would put Shazam's fight with Spectre above Odin's paygrade.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectre wins this fight. Depending on which version this is, he either wins with ease or with some level of difficulty. Anybody that thinks that thor wins is either ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid.

Wow, wow, wow.

It's perfectly fine if you think Spectre wins, or even stomps but thinking Thor can win is ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid? Spectre's track record is far from spotless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah look at how spectre is such a weak feeb, owning Thunderbolt like shit.

http://imgur.com/iaUmyb5
http://imgur.com/CiSTLrp

Just two halves of Thunderbolt fighting nearly destroyed creation in Morrison's JLA.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre spitestomps this feeb. No space cheese feats at all. Right Jake?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's been a while, but he was uber during Morrison's JLA. A rogue thunderbolt imprisoned Spectre and a battle between the two was dangerous to Earth's dimension. IIRC they were bigger then Earth at one point.

Although tbf, none of that is beyond Odin, on a high showing anyways.

Of course, once he got on the JSA, he became a lot more....ineffective. For example, Black Adam was beating the shit out of a JSA team that included the Thunderbolt. 😬

Comics fluctuate a lot, but these obscure mystical entities are just flat out weird.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectre wins this fight. Depending on which version this is, he either wins with ease or with some level of difficulty. Anybody that thinks that thor wins is either ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wow, wow, wow.

It's perfectly fine if you think Spectre wins, or even stomps but thinking Thor can win is ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid? Spectre's track record is far from spotless.

Yeah, Kent Nelson stalemated Spectre a few times. Although, I would rank Classic Fate on the level of Classic Strange.

Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't thunderbolt oneshot Mordru?

The other way around.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the low point when the manipulator was Eclipso himself. Spectre provided the raw magic by killing and destroying the ninth age of magic which provided fuel to creating a new multiverse. Feats are feats Jake. Nobody but the Presence himself could stop his rampage.

You are arguing in cycles now. Shazam is more powerful because he stalemated and even downed Spectre for a moment when Spectre was nigh-impossible to stop by everyone else and shitstomping everybody else in skyfather tier. You could provide a similar feat for Odin if you like, but I doubt it. There has been no comparison between Shazam and Odin which I could think of, so comparing feats when Odin has appeared in 9000 comics and Shazam hasn't is worthless.

Anybody with a common sense would put Shazam's fight with Spectre above Odin's paygrade.

That is horrible logic. Shazam used artifacts and was weakened. He almost defeated the Spectre save the magical absorption.

No one would. Odin is far above Shazam. Spectre has been depowered by mere mages before in day of judgment. We aren't ignoring everything else just because you really like dc characters.

clearly spectre has a far greater well of power from which to draw. it would take some sort of plot allowance for this to be any kind of actual battle--at least spectre in the classic sense.