This thread is becoming hilarious.
Spectre shit stomped Shazam inside the ROE and an amped Captain Marvel not to mention he overrode Shazams enchantment on Billy and put him to sleep. Even with no powers Shadowpact couldn't do anything to him. And this was a hostless Spectre whom most would rate on the low end. This incarnation on up to the high end shouldn't have too much trouble with KT.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the low point when the manipulator was Eclipso himself. Spectre provided the raw magic by killing and destroying the ninth age of magic which provided fuel to creating a new multiverse. Feats are feats Jake. Nobody but the Presence himself could stop his rampage.You are arguing in cycles now. Shazam is more powerful because he stalemated and even downed Spectre for a moment when Spectre was nigh-impossible to stop by everyone else and shitstomping everybody else in skyfather tier. You could provide a similar feat for Odin if you like, but I doubt it. There has been no comparison between Shazam and Odin which I could think of, so comparing feats when Odin has appeared in 9000 comics and Shazam hasn't is worthless.
Anybody with a common sense would put Shazam's fight with Spectre above Odin's paygrade.
So, we agree that Spectre being manipulated was part of a grand design, a design Alex Luthor played on? Good.
No, I'm not. You think Shazam with all of his artifacts inside the RoE make him more powerful than Odin and all of Asgard and RKT. That's ridiculous. And the fact that Shazam struggled against Spectre doesn't somehow make him better than Odin. That's asinine and then using Odin's more prolific appearances than Shazam's as evidence AGAINST Odin is even more so.
Fact is Shazam hasn't done jackshit to be on Odin's level normally, though his status often gives him the benefit of the doubt to some level. Shazam inside the RoE with random artifacts somehow being >>> Odin, all of Asgard (which Odin can amp off of) AND RKT isn't anything remotely feasible.
Originally posted by SundippedNo, he didn't. He used the magical absorption to defeat Shazam who was weakened right before the fight.
This thread is becoming hilarious.Spectre shit stomped Shazam inside the ROE and an amped Captain Marvel not to mention he overrode Shazams enchantment on Billy and put him to sleep. Even with no powers Shadowpact couldn't do anything to him. And this was a hostless Spectre whom most would rate on the low end. This incarnation on up to the high end shouldn't have too much trouble with KT.
Spectre got his ass kicked by an amped Billy. Reread the story. Enchantress took the amp away so the Spectre got away by Eclipso saving him. You're unbelievably off.
King Thor beheads the Spectre.
Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't thunderbolt oneshot Mordru?
Maybe. Although I do remember Mordru beating the Thunderbolt off-panel inside his lamp.
So like I said, they fluctuate. Odin doing well against the Spectre or even beating the shit out of the Thunderbolt is hardly some kind of impossible incident. At a certain threshold, anything is justified.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. He used the magical absorption to defeat Shazam who was weakened right before the fight.Spectre got his ass kicked by an amped Billy. Reread the story. Enchantress took the amp away so the Spectre got away by Eclipso saving him. You're unbelievably off.
King Thor beheads the Spectre.
Umm...magical absorption is fair game and Shazam being weakened sure would explain how he got brutally raped.
Not sure if serious......Billy was KTFO, Spectre was still conscious.
Mjolnir may not even reach Spectre after it's thrown. LOL
It should be noted, the Spectre has at points in his history been shown to be at a disadvantage when facing beings in their place of power. IIRC, the water elemental Maya was wrecking his ass once the fight got to her dimension.
He also wasn't quite at full power. Although Shazam was weakened from facing Mordru earlier. Anyways, here's the fight:
Also, arguing that Shazam is above Odin is ridiculous. Especially looking at his other performances. I think his greatest other relative feat is Billy saying he could kill Eclipso Superman with a few more Shazam bolts? Which is awesome but only to a certain level. After all, Superman has a weakness to magic and he had already hit Superman with NINE bolts. Of course he was probably holding back, at least I hope he was.
Originally posted by SundippedThat is why he won. Shazam got the better of him and that is the only reason he won. He was also weakened. Context.
Umm...magical absorption is fair game and Shazam being weakened sure would explain how he got brutally raped.Not sure if serious......Billy was KTFO, Spectre was still conscious.
Mjolnir may not even reach Spectre after it's thrown. LOL
Billy's amp was taken away. Again, context. Read the issue. Spectre beat Marvel unamped. Not impressive.
Black Adam sure knocked the Spectre around. Try reading the story and quit ignoring the context.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Umm...magical absorption is fair game and Shazam being weakened sure would explain how he got brutally raped.Not sure if serious......Billy was KTFO, Spectre was still conscious.
Mjolnir may not even reach Spectre after it's thrown. LOL
Because his power was cut off and unlike Spectre, his body wasn't use to channeling a certain amount of energy. When he was powered up, IIRC he was beating the crap out of Spectre and at the end, both of them were nearly drained. But like I said, Billy wasn't as experienced.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, we agree that Spectre being manipulated was part of a grand design, a design Alex Luthor played on? Good.No, I'm not. You think Shazam with all of his artifacts inside the RoE make him more powerful than Odin and all of Asgard and RKT. That's ridiculous. And the fact that Shazam struggled against Spectre doesn't somehow make him better than Odin. That's asinine and then using Odin's more prolific appearances than Shazam's as evidence AGAINST Odin is even more so.
Fact is Shazam hasn't done jackshit to be on Odin's level normally, though his status often gives him the benefit of the doubt to some level. Shazam inside the RoE with random artifacts somehow being >>> Odin, all of Asgard (which Odin can amp off of) AND RKT isn't anything remotely feasible.
Again with circular argument. Give me a single feat of Odin stalemating or even downing a opponent who just shitstomped multiple skyfathers.
Nope. A weakened Shazam held off spectre. A weakened Odin was in danger of being killed by a pillow to the face by Malekith and got his shit pushed in by Surtur. Not to mention getting knocked out by an earthquake and shit. Odin's low feats are so ridiculous its not even funny.
Originally posted by abhilegendSpectre thought he was destroying magic. 😂
Odin got manipulated by Loki. Spectre getting manipulated by former wrath of god eclipso who knows more about spectre than anybody else isn't a low feat. He destroyed a multiversal level of magic users single handedly. That's a feat.Again with circular argument. Give me a single feat of Odin stalemating or even downing a opponent who just shitstomped multiple skyfathers.
Nope. A weakened Shazam held off spectre. A weakened Odin was in danger of being killed by a pillow to the face by Malekith and got his shit pushed in by Surtur. Not to mention getting knocked out by an earthquake and shit. Odin's low feats are so ridiculous its not even funny.
Loki is clever whereas the Spectre needs a host or else he gets rather loopy.
Weakened Shazam lost. Big whoop. He lost. Losing isn't a feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is why he won. Shazam got the better of him and that is the only reason he won. He was also weakened. Context.Billy's amp was taken away. Again, context. Read the issue. Spectre beat Marvel unamped. Not impressive.
Black Adam sure knocked the Spectre around. Try reading the story and quit ignoring the context.
All you got is excuses.
Shazam thought he got the better of him but still wound up dead.
Billy was left face down and too bad Enchantress couldn't keep channeling the amp for him. Still doesn't change the fact. Billy was supposed to be so close to finishing a weakened Spectre but couldn't even land any of his punches. 😂
Originally posted by SundippedYes, due to being weakened and absorbing magic.
All you got is excuses.
Shazam thought he got the better of him but still wound up dead.
Billy was left face down and too bad Enchantress couldn't keep channeling the amp for him. Still doesn't change the fact. Billy was supposed to be so close to finishing a weakened Spectre but couldn't even land any of his punches. 😂
The reason Spectre won is due to him losing the amp. That is why he lost it had nothing to do with anything the Spectre did it had to do with the Enchantress.
You ignored the context time and time again. Context is everything.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin got manipulated by Loki. Spectre getting manipulated by former wrath of god eclipso who knows more about spectre than anybody else isn't a low feat. He destroyed a multiversal level of magic users single handedly. That's a feat.Again with circular argument. Give me a single feat of Odin stalemating or even downing a opponent who just shitstomped multiple skyfathers.
Nope. A weakened Shazam held off spectre. A weakened Odin was in danger of being killed by a pillow to the face by Malekith and got his shit pushed in by Surtur. Not to mention getting knocked out by an earthquake and shit. Odin's low feats are so ridiculous its not even funny.
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Did I say Spectre being manipulated was a low feat for Spectre or otherwise demeaning to him? All I said was that Spectre being manipulated played directly into Alexander Luthor's hands for his plan to recreate the multiverse. Reading and comprehending are your friends here, bud.
The fact that Odin shook the fabric of reality while weakened should speak for itself.
Lowballing? Really? Color me shocked. Malekith trying to suffocate Odin while he's actually deep in the Odinsleep is a poor example to bring up, too, btw, but I can't say I'm surprised. Surtur is on Odin's level to begin with, so Odin struggling with him isn't a low feat at all.
