I'm undecided on this battle. The only thing that I am seeing is a stalemate. Both are extremely powerful and we've never seen their limitations so the judging that is going on in here is basically, just guessing. The KI probably did say that about the ear rings but lets not pretend like they knew anything about a super saiyans power level, especially with them being so shocked at Gokus transformations.
In all fairness, Goku did say that fusing with Satan would probably only net him a very minimal boost:
http://imgur.com/BRyDy7g
That still doesn't change the fact that he would have still fused with him, had Vegeta not arrived when he did:
http://imgur.com/j8Dg6Xy
...And it seems unlikely that he'd risk fusing with Satan if the pros didn't vastly outweigh the cons. /shrug
Regardless, it all goes back to what I/we said on the first page...
The Potara gives a rival boost:
http://i.imgur.com/4lfyOjY.jpg
It was never once stated that the fusion dance does the same.
Old Kai also outright stated that Potara was better than fusion, after he'd already seen Gotenks:
http://i.imgur.com/7QcRutE.gif
Heck, Old Kai even speculated that after using Potara fusion, the level of SSJ may not even be required to defeat Buu(although that was when he was still Buutenks):
http://imgur.com/5fokwvz
...And while base Vegetto never fought Buuhan in the manga(he went SSJ right out of the gate), they did fight in the anime-- and he was steamrolling Buuhan for the most part, with fairly minimal effort:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suKJUVZ4vTY
...Not trying to imply that the anime supersedes the manga. Just pointing that out, is all.
But yeah, per canon evidence, Vegetto wins. There's really no logical argument that can be made against this. Potara boosts rivals, the dance does not. So all other things being equal, Potara>dance. Simple.
Originally posted by Galan007
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Regardless, it all goes back to what I/we said on the first page...The Potara gives a rival boost:
http://i.imgur.com/4lfyOjY.jpg
It was never once stated that the fusion dance does the same.
But old Kaio-Shin didn't say the rival boost was because of a Potara ability. On the contrary, when Kibito-shin raved about how much power the Potara gave them, he claimed their insane power amp had nothing to do with the Potara, and attributed it strictly to their rivalry.
The dance fusion probably would have given the same "rival amp".
Originally posted by cdtmGiven that these statements were only made while a Potara fusion was in play(ie. Vegetto), logic dictates that the Potara fusion alone was responsible for the rival boost-- I mean, what else would Old Kai have possibly be referring to? srsly
But old Kaio-Shin didn't say the rival boost was because of a Potara ability. On the contrary, when Kibito-shin raved about how much power the Potara gave them, he claimed their insane power amp had nothing to do with the Potara, and attributed it strictly to their rivalry.
Originally posted by cdtmNice opinion. Do you have any proof to confirm it?
The dance fusion probably would have given the same "rival amp".
Originally posted by Galan007
Given that these statements were only made while a Potara fusion was in play(ie. Vegetto), logic dictates that the Potara fusion alone was responsible for the rival boost-- I mean, what else would Old Kai have possibly be referring to? srslyNice opinion. Do you have any proof to confirm it?
Impossible to prove something where proof doesn't exist. The rival boost , in addition to any sort of power level boosts from either fusion, is fan opinion.
All we have is Kaio-Shin claiming their boost came from their rivalry, in response to a comment about. Anything else is speculatory, but I'm inclined to believe dance fusion and potara fusion are simply different, but relatively equal ways of achieving the same result (In terms of how strong a warrior they create.)
It's fan opinion to ignore what the Elder Kai has said but he blatantly says their rivalry was a partial reason of why it's strong.
It's possible the dance has this but it has never been commented at all so you can't prove it. And even if you want to debate this to death, it's moot. There are still multiple statements attributing the Potara as superior never mind the fact that Goku has to power down to reach Vegeta's level when that's absolutely not an issue for Potara.
Supra, you've just earned yourself an official warning for bashing across multiple pages.
Galan has not shown any signs of trolling this thread, nor has he used profanity and insults, unlike you. All he did was differ his opinion from yours.
You really, really need to drink a beer, pop a Xanax, or try some way to calm down before you get yourself into more hot water.
You are too reactionary to other members' opinions and accuse people of trolling when they are not.
I highly recommend you stop now. I also hope you understand that this is not personal; I would act like this were it anyone else.
Everyone back to topic, please.
Originally posted by Supra
Yea by Galan and SSGogeta logic canon Mr. Satan is stronger then SS4 Gogeta, what boring world you all live in.
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You're a retard. That is YOU'RE logic. You're the one who said winning more fights gives you an insta-win, not Galan and I.
I've said it a thousand times. Gogeta only wins with permanent fusion, and it's still debatable even then, because Super Vegetto easily outclassed an opponent much stronger than Janemba. Janemba had trouble with SSJ3 Goku, and even Buutenks would have beat him. Buuhan could shit on Janemba and possibly SSJ3 Goku at the same time. Without PIS, SSJ3 Goku is weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks.
It was outright stated that Vegetto was superior, and even got a rival boost, so you know what, Vegetto wins this either way. The only way Gogeta wins is if he has SSJ4 and Vegetto doesn't, which isn't even cannon, and still makes him weaker than Cell, because SSJ4 Gogeta failed to beat Omega, who could barely destroy Earth with his strongest attack.
In my opinion though, from what the Old Kai said, Gogeta would win if he had a permanent fusion. Old Kai said, "The potara's are much better than that silly dance, because they don't have a time limit.", which means Gogeta loses without permanent fusion.
BTW, I obviously DID read the PO, or I wouldn't have made the perma-fusion argument in the first place, retard.
Originally posted by carver9
but lets not pretend like they knew anything about a super saiyans power level, especially with them being so shocked at Gokus transformations.
Exactly!!!!! Old Kai's are nonsense and never know about anything and look to Goku to solve all their problems because they are too weak to.
Kai's say here try its supposed to be more powerful, just like they had all this hope in the Z Sword and all that came out of that nightmare was another dumb worthless Kai.
